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'[EE] New Mic Split Idea'
2005\10\24@115735 by Josh Koffman

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Hi all. Some of you might remember the discussion I started about
building a mic split a little while ago. I've mulled it over a bunch
(when I have had a few moments) and decided that building my own just
isn't economical at the moment. If I was to spend the money to do it
properly, I might as well buy a system premade. The only thing I gain
by doing it myself is customizability and the burden of a lot of
soldering. In addition, since I lack enough mic preamps, I would have
to buy or build more (not a small task).

Then I had another idea. I think I can pull the audio off of another
part of the signal chain, after the mic preamps in the console (for
the curious, I'd build a box that will pull the audio off the insert
jack, while still allowing inserts on every channel). The problem is
that on that output, there is the possibility that I wouldn't have
exclusive use of that signal. So I think I need to use an opamp as a
high impedance buffer so as not to load down the output.

Questions:

1. Am I on the right track? If I wanted to "steal" an audio signal,
would an opamp buffer be the best way to do it with minimal impact to
the original signal chain?

2. Any recommendations on how to design a follower that won't effect
the audio signal too much?

3. Any better ways to do this that don't involve expensive transformers?

Thanks!

Josh
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2005\10\24@123704 by Mark Rages

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On 10/24/05, Josh Koffman <spam_OUTjoshybearTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
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If you're just trying to run one mic to two mixers, you can plug the
mic into the first mixer, and run a 1/4" unbalanced (e.g. guitar)
cable from the insert to the insert on the second mixer.  Plug the
cable in "halfway" on the first board so the NC switch on the jack
isn't opened and the signal can still go through the first mixer.  If
you need to connect to more mixers, use a Y cable.

Repeat for each channel you need to share.

The mixer should buffer the insert send, so you don't need to do it yourself.

If you need to preserve inserts on the mixers, then just wire up the
box you were thinking of.  No passive or active electronics necessary.
You'll be in for a lot of soldering, though.  Might be worth making a
PCB for it, to keep your sanity.

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Mark
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2005\10\24@133339 by Josh Koffman

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The idea is to take a recording feed actually. I can't hijack the
insert totally as I may still need them for dynamics processors for
the live mix. I was leery of potentially attaching two inputs (ie a
compressor, then my recording interface) to one output (the out of the
insert jack). If this would work...then a simple jack/cabling
arrangement would be the easiest solution.

Josh
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On 10/24/05, Mark Rages <.....markragesKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
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2005\10\24@143103 by Mark Rages

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On 10/24/05, Josh Koffman <joshybearspamKILLspamgmail.com> wrote:
> The idea is to take a recording feed actually. I can't hijack the
> insert totally as I may still need them for dynamics processors for
> the live mix. I was leery of potentially attaching two inputs (ie a
> compressor, then my recording interface) to one output (the out of the
> insert jack). If this would work...then a simple jack/cabling
> arrangement would be the easiest solution.
>
> Josh

You can attach several (high impedance) inputs to one (low impedance,
buffered) output.

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Mark
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2005\10\24@150653 by brusque

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Hello Josh,

    yes, you can do that.

    Just keep in mind that any tweak on the gain/trim knob of your
*main* mixer (and possibly other adjusts, depending on the mixer) will
also affect the signal coming out of the inserts.

    This can give you headaches if you need to lower the gain of a
certain channel during recording. Later, when mixing the recording, you
can compensate this change but this can give you lots of work. Try to
have proper gain setting before the show/recording starts.

    Best regards,

    Brusque
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2005\10\24@232518 by Josh Koffman

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On 10/24/05, Mark Rages <.....markragesKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> You can attach several (high impedance) inputs to one (low impedance,
> buffered) output.

Would the average line input on a piece of pro gear be high impedance?
I would assume so...am I wrong?

Josh
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2005\10\24@232710 by Josh Koffman

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On 10/24/05, EraseMEbrusquespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuThotpop.com <brusquespamspam_OUThotpop.com> wrote:
>      yes, you can do that.
>
>      Just keep in mind that any tweak on the gain/trim knob of your
> *main* mixer (and possibly other adjusts, depending on the mixer) will
> also affect the signal coming out of the inserts.
>
>      This can give you headaches if you need to lower the gain of a
> certain channel during recording. Later, when mixing the recording, you
> can compensate this change but this can give you lots of work. Try to
> have proper gain setting before the show/recording starts.

I'm not too worried about the main mixer effecting the recording, I
have the same problem on most of the boards that have a direct output
built in. Also, I'm the one doing both the recording and the mixing,
so I can be sure no one will touch the controls without my knowledge.

Thanks!

Josh
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