Post by thread:[EE] Selling electronics in the US

I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. If its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, but even without it, doesn't preclude you from selling it in the states. Its really going to be up to your end users...will they purchase something without the agency approvals. There are alot of products on the market that do not have either FCC or NRTL registrations, and both are really litigation tools. Of course the FCC requirement probably would not apply to you, but doing immunity at least on your own might be a good thing. --- On Fri, 1/30/09, James Holland <spam_OUTj_hollandTakeThisOuTbtopenworld.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> From: James Holland <.....j_hollandKILLspam@spam@btopenworld.com> > Subject: [EE] Selling electronics in the US > To: piclistKILLspammit.edu > Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:22 AM > Hi > I am trying to find out what the legal requirements are for > selling > electronics in the United States, so far Google hasn't > been any help. The > equipments concerned are 24V powered vibration and > proximity sensors. If > someone could point me in the right direction I would be > very grateful. > Thanks > James > > > --

I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. If its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, but even without it, doesn't preclude you from selling it in the states. Its really going to be up to your end users...will they purchase something without the agency approvals. There are alot of products on the market that do not have either FCC or NRTL registrations, and both are really litigation tools. Of course the FCC requirement probably would not apply to you, but doing immunity at least on your own might be a good thing. --- On Fri, 1/30/09, James Holland <.....j_hollandKILLspam.....btopenworld.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> From: James Holland <EraseMEj_hollandspam_OUTTakeThisOuTbtopenworld.com> > Subject: [EE] Selling electronics in the US > To: piclistspam_OUTmit.edu > Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 9:22 AM > Hi > I am trying to find out what the legal requirements are for > selling > electronics in the United States, so far Google hasn't > been any help. The > equipments concerned are 24V powered vibration and > proximity sensors. If > someone could point me in the right direction I would be > very grateful. > Thanks > James > > > --

> I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. If > its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, but even > without it, doesn't preclude you from selling it in the states. Its > really going to be up to your end users...will they purchase something > without the agency approvals. There are alot of products on the market > that do not have either FCC or NRTL registrations, and both are really > litigation tools. Of course the FCC requirement probably would not apply > to you, but doing immunity at least on your own might be a good thing. If you have a clock frequency over 9kHz, I believe the unintentional radiator requirements of FCC part 15 (http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2009/15/ ) apply. These are very similar to CE EMC requirements, so a lab that tests for CE can often throw in FCC for a low cost. Harold -- FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com - Advertising opportunities available!

alan smith wrote: > I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. > If its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, CE is a European thing. In the US you have to make sure that the product doesn't radiate or conduct on the power line past what the FCC allows. In most simple cases where your product isn't intended to radiate at all, you don't actually need to go thru compliance testing, although you'll be in trouble if it is found to fail later. For consumer items you will want UL or similar approval. These are not legally required, but if something happens you really want to be able to prove you used "best practises". For low cost items you sell a few 100/year, it would take a specific complaint for any legal authority to look at it. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000.

{Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: @spam@piclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu [KILLspampiclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu] On Behalf > Of RemoveMEpiclist-requestTakeThisOuTmit.edu > Sent: 02 February 2009 17:10 > To: spamBeGonepiclistspamBeGonemit.edu > Subject: Piclist Digest, Vol 55, Issue 3 > > From: TakeThisOuTolin_piclistEraseMEspam_OUTembedinc.com (Olin Lathrop) > > alan smith wrote: > > I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. > > If its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, > > CE is a European thing. In the US you have to make sure that the product > doesn't radiate or conduct on the power line past what the FCC allows. In > most simple cases where your product isn't intended to radiate at all, you > don't actually need to go thru compliance testing, although you'll be in > trouble if it is found to fail later. > > For consumer items you will want UL or similar approval. These are not > legally required, but if something happens you really want to be able to > prove you used "best practises". > > For low cost items you sell a few 100/year, it would take a specific > complaint for any legal authority to look at it. > > Thank you. We do CE mark our products but a customer asked why we don't UL approve them, they implied that it was a legal requirement. I did establish that it wasn't but couldn't find any other specific requirements. We don't directly connect to any mains supply and I will have a look at the FCC requirements. I'm sure that we will be OK because they are analogue sensors with no fast edges. Cheers James

> -----Original Message----- > From: RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTmit.edu On Behalf Of James Holland > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:54 PM > > Thank you. We do CE mark our products but a customer asked why we don't UL > approve them, they implied that it was a legal requirement. I did > establish > that it wasn't but couldn't find any other specific requirements. We don't > directly connect to any mains supply and I will have a look at the FCC > requirements. I'm sure that we will be OK because they are > analogue sensors > with no fast edges. Sounds like you should be exempt from Part 15 digital device testing/certification. To quote Part 15's definition of a digital device: "An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques;" Paul > Cheers > James > > > -

2009/2/4 James Holland <j_hollandEraseME.....btopenworld.com>: {Quote hidden}> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EraseMEpiclist-bouncesmit.edu [RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesEraseMEEraseMEmit.edu] On Behalf >> Of RemoveMEpiclist-requestspam_OUTKILLspammit.edu >> Sent: 02 February 2009 17:10 >> To: RemoveMEpiclistTakeThisOuTspammit.edu >> Subject: Piclist Digest, Vol 55, Issue 3 >> >> From: EraseMEolin_piclistspamspamBeGoneembedinc.com (Olin Lathrop) >> >> alan smith wrote: >> > I think its going to be dependent on what market your selling into. >> > If its industrial, you might need a NRTL or CE sticker on it, >> >> CE is a European thing. In the US you have to make sure that the product >> doesn't radiate or conduct on the power line past what the FCC allows. In >> most simple cases where your product isn't intended to radiate at all, you >> don't actually need to go thru compliance testing, although you'll be in >> trouble if it is found to fail later. >> >> For consumer items you will want UL or similar approval. These are not >> legally required, but if something happens you really want to be able to >> prove you used "best practises". >> >> For low cost items you sell a few 100/year, it would take a specific >> complaint for any legal authority to look at it. >> >> > > Thank you. We do CE mark our products but a customer asked why we don't UL > approve them, they implied that it was a legal requirement. I did establish > that it wasn't but couldn't find any other specific requirements. We don't > directly connect to any mains supply and I will have a look at the FCC > requirements. I'm sure that we will be OK because they are analogue sensors > with no fast edges. > Cheers > James > James You might find that while UL isn't a legal requirement, it is a requirement specified by your customers insurers. RP