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'[EE] USB to contact closure'
2009\06\12@024716 by David Duffy (AVD)

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I have an application where a PC needs to trigger another device via a
contact closure. The current PCs have serial, parallel and USB ports
available, but in future one may only have USB.

My first thought was an FT232 USB-serial chip and a small micro driving
a reed relay, but I'm trying to simplify the design and get the cost
down as there's potentially 1000 or so units to deploy.

I've never delved into "USB on a PIC" so don't know how easy it is. Also
bear in mind I have no C language experience.

My other thought was to keep the FT232 and ditch the PIC, simply using
one of the serial control lines to trigger the relay.

The consequence of erroneously activating the relay during PC powering
up is not too much of a problem. (I have to confirm this)

Does anyone else have any ideas?
David...

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2009\06\12@031242 by Charles Craft

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Crude but hard to get simpler than a USB controlled plug strip:
 http://www.instructables.com/id/A_USB_Power_Controled_Plug_Strip_With_Isolation/


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2009\06\12@032219 by David Duffy (AVD)

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Just to clarify, what I need to do is close a contact (at various times)
under program control, not just when the PC powers up.
David...

Charles Craft wrote:
> Crude but hard to get simpler than a USB controlled plug strip:
>   http://www.instructables.com/id/A_USB_Power_Controled_Plug_Strip_With_Isolation/
>
>
> {Original Message removed}

2009\06\12@042757 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:47 PM, David Duffy (AVD) wrote:

> I've never delved into "USB on a PIC" so don't know how easy it is.  
> Also
> bear in mind I have no C language experience.

There are some "implement USB on a non-USB Atmel AVR" solutions that  
run on AVRs as small as 8pins.  They seem to be pretty easy to use  
(lots of value-added projects based on the core functionality.)  Look  
up "igorplug", "V-USB", "USBtiny"

BillW

2009\06\12@043401 by Charles Craft

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I did some googling and there are people that want to control USB port power for Wii remotes.
Seems to depend on the hardware in the PC more than the operating system.
Some people had luck using the Windows "devcon" command to disable and enable USB ports.

Good luck!

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2009\06\12@053507 by David Duffy (AVD)

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Sounds like they're just turning the USB power on/off?
That would possibly even do if it was consistent across PCs.
Some main boards have USB always on via jumpers that I have no influence
over.

I do need to "flash" the contact closure at about 0.5Hz - 2Hz some times.
I'll check out some more USB - micro examples on the web.

If anyone else has any ideas, I'm all ears. Thank you.
David...

Charles Craft wrote:
> I did some googling and there are people that want to control USB port power for Wii remotes.
> Seems to depend on the hardware in the PC more than the operating system.
> Some people had luck using the Windows "devcon" command to disable and enable USB ports.
>
> Good luck!
>
> {Original Message removed}

2009\06\12@060654 by Mike Harrison

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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:35:01 +1000, you wrote:

>Sounds like they're just turning the USB power on/off?
>That would possibly even do if it was consistent across PCs.
>Some main boards have USB always on via jumpers that I have no influence
>over.
>
>I do need to "flash" the contact closure at about 0.5Hz - 2Hz some times.
>I'll check out some more USB - micro examples on the web.
>
>If anyone else has any ideas, I'm all ears. Thank you.
>David...

I'd guess the cheapest way is to repurpose whatever is the cheapest USB peripheral chip you can
find. Mouse/keyboard devices may have some output capabillities (mouse LED control, caps lock LEDs
etc.) but may be hard to stop the OS thinking they're real devices)

USB-Serial  (there are cheaper solutions than the FTDI chip) , using RTS/DTR is one option, but has
the snag of figuring out which COM port it's been assigned to. Ditto USB-parallel.
Failing that, find whatever is the cheapest USB microcontroller, or do it in software, e.g.
http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/index.html





>Charles Craft wrote:
>> I did some googling and there are people that want to control USB port power for Wii remotes.
>> Seems to depend on the hardware in the PC more than the operating system.
>> Some people had luck using the Windows "devcon" command to disable and enable USB ports.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> {Original Message removed}

2009\06\12@082602 by Tony Vandiver

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Is the PIC18F2450-I/SO too expensive at $2.54 @ 100pcs via Digikey?  I
think it beats the cost of a FT232 + micro.  This could also give you
HID class implementation so no need to write/supply a driver for the pc
side (but you would have to write a pc application), and you could
"flash" at just about any rate you wanted.  What's the voltage/current
of your load?  You could potentially save some cost there too if you
could trade a relay for something cheaper.

David Duffy (AVD) wrote:
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2009\06\12@083119 by Sean Breheny

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B&B Electronics does loads of stuff like this. May not be the absolute
cheapest but it would be simple.

Sean


On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:47 AM, David Duffy
(AVD)<spam_OUTdavidTakeThisOuTspamaudiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote:
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2009\06\12@085857 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Subject: [EE] USB to contact closure
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> I have an application where a PC needs to trigger another device via a
> contact closure. The current PCs have serial, parallel and USB ports
> available, but in future one may only have USB.
>
> My first thought was an FT232 USB-serial chip and a small micro
driving
> a reed relay, but I'm trying to simplify the design and get the cost
> down as there's potentially 1000 or so units to deploy.

You could get away with just the FT232 device, controlling the handshake
lines and TX line state is quite simple through Windows (and I assume
Linux).

Regards

Mike

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2009\06\12@114032 by Vitaliy

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David,

Most FTDI devices (FT232RL, for sure) have general purpose I/O lines that
you can use for your application.

Best regards,

Vitaliy



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2009\06\12@163858 by Marechiare

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> I have an application where a PC needs to trigger
> another device via a contact closure. The current
> PCs have serial, parallel and USB ports available,
> but in future one may only have USB.

> Does anyone else have any ideas?

A PIC would listen to one of many audio outputs of your PC and on the
key phrase "Could you, please, trigger the f*****g device" it would
recognize the phrase and activate the relay :-)

2009\06\12@173320 by David Duffy (AVD)

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Thanks for all of your replies guys.

I had forgotten about the I/O on the FT232 as I have never used them.

Some of the Atmel "soft-USB" projects look interesting, but it would
depend on the driver being acceptable to the software team.

A USB PIC would be good but I lack any experience in them. I suspect the
learning curve is substantial. That said, maybe it would be a good way
to get into USB without using a FT232 type solution each time.

Another company is doing the PC software & information from that side is
limited so far. All I know is they can offer some sort of control of the
USB port.

I'm using a reed relay as output, as it needs to signal another device
that may be 10 - 300 metres away and I do not want to introduce a ground
loop issue.
David....

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2009\06\12@173336 by AGSCalabrese

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How many contact closures per USB module ?
Gus


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2009\06\12@173812 by AGSCalabrese

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Try one of these

www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=116&sku=16899
6ft USB to DB25 IEEE-1284 Parallel Printer Adapter Cable    $20


eavysky.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3480066
USB to 25 Parallel Port Printer Connecter Cable     $7


cgi.ebay.com/USB-to-PRINTER-DB25-25-Pin-Parallel-Port-Cable-Adapter_W0QQitemZ130260984324QQcmdZViewItem
USB to PRINTER DB25 25-Pin Parallel Port Cable Adapter  $5


Gus

2009\06\12@175017 by Tony Vandiver

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Good point - it's best to isolate yourself from the PC ground whenever
possible, esp. if the other device can have it's own.

David Duffy (AVD) wrote:
> I'm using a reed relay as output, as it needs to signal another device
> that may be 10 - 300 metres away and I do not want to introduce a ground
> loop issue.
> David....
>  

2009\06\12@175329 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jun 12, 2009, at 2:38 PM, AGSCalabrese wrote:

> Parallel Printer Adapter Cable

As far as I know, a lot of the USB printer adapter cables are  
"PRINTER" only, and don't give you the same sort of bitwise control  
that you'd have with a "real parallel port."  Buyer beware!

BillW

2009\06\12@181813 by AGSCalabrese

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This one says it is 1284 compliant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1284
www.emtcompany.com/products/adapters/dxubpc-parallel-to-usb-printer-adapter.htm
Gus

On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:38 PM, AGSCalabrese wrote:

Try one of these

www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=116&sku=16899
6ft USB to DB25 IEEE-1284 Parallel Printer Adapter Cable    $20


eavysky.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3480066
USB to 25 Parallel Port Printer Connecter Cable     $7


cgi.ebay.com/USB-to-PRINTER-DB25-25-Pin-Parallel-Port-Cable-Adapter_W0QQitemZ130260984324QQcmdZViewItem
USB to PRINTER DB25 25-Pin Parallel Port Cable Adapter  $5


Gus

2009\06\12@192426 by Phillip Vogel

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You could probably do more (and easier) with an FT245 - USB <-> parallel
FIFO.

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Subject: Re: [EE] USB to contact closure

How many contact closures per USB module ?
Gus


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2009\06\12@193839 by Vitaliy

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Marechiare wrote:
> A PIC would listen to one of many audio outputs of your PC and on the
> key phrase "Could you, please, trigger the f*****g device" it would
> recognize the phrase and activate the relay :-)

Olin does not approve of this type of command set.

Vitaliy

2009\06\12@200315 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 6:18 AM, AGSCalabrese<agscalspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> This one says it is 1284 compliant.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1284
> http://www.emtcompany.com/products/adapters/dxubpc-parallel-to-usb-printer-adapter.htm

Just based on the price, I would say it will not work.
The real USB to Parallel port is more difficult to make than
most people think. The price is much higher than those
printer only cable.

For example, Microchip's ICE2000 USB adapter costs
US$99.
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/410437-adapter-usb-parallel-ice2000-acice0108.html

This one might work:
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en

But to be safe, it is better to use PCMCIA/PCCARD or PCI
based parallel port converter. They are known to work.


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2009\06\12@202238 by David Duffy (AVD)

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> How many contact closures per USB module ?
Only one output required, although if there's room I may leave a spot on
the board for a second relay.

> eavysky.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3480066
> USB to 25 Parallel Port Printer Connecter Cable     $7
>  

I don't want to go down the path of using a printer adapter as I'd still
have to add the relay to and may not be available in the future. From
what I've seen, most of those adapters are good for driving a printer
but not so good for absolute control.

> You could probably do more (and easier) with an FT245 - USB <-> parallel
> FIFO.
>  

I might also look at the FT245 and see if it's any cheaper and easier to
implement.


The client has requested the output be on an RJ45 for easy connection by
non-technical staff in remote locations. We're also designing the board
this device will connect to, so an RJ45 on each end and a pre-made lead
will be the simplest solution. I'll just need to pick a pair that's
unlikely to cause damage when plugged into a network port by mistake. It
shouldn't happen, but you never know as most people only equate RJ45
with a computer network.
David...
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2009\06\13@001312 by Dave Tweed

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David Duffy (AVD) wrote:
> > You could probably do more (and easier) with an FT245 - USB <-> parallel
> > FIFO.
>
> I might also look at the FT245 and see if it's any cheaper and easier to
> implement.

Jeff Bachiochi's column in the upcoming July Circuit Cellar (issue 229)
covers precisely this topic.

-- Dave Tweed

2009\06\13@001520 by Dave Tweed

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I wrote:
> David Duffy (AVD) wrote:
> > > You could probably do more (and easier) with an FT245 - USB <-> parallel
> > > FIFO.
> >
> > I might also look at the FT245 and see if it's any cheaper and easier to
> > implement.
>
> Jeff Bachiochi's column in the upcoming July Circuit Cellar (issue 229)
> covers precisely this topic.

Sorry, issue #229 is the August issue, which should be out in mid-July.

-- Dave Tweed

2009\06\13@133853 by Vitaliy

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Vitaliy wrote:
>> A PIC would listen to one of many audio outputs of your PC and on the
>> key phrase "Could you, please, trigger the f*****g device" it would
>> recognize the phrase and activate the relay :-)
>
> Olin does not approve of this type of command set.

Bob Blick emailed me offlist, saying that my comment above is a personal dig
at Olin and is therefore not in keeping with the good
spirit of the PIClist. When I explained that it was an insider joke, he told
me that I have to take care that the general public does not misinterpret my
comments.

So here it goes.

The comment was a reference to the fact that Olin thinks that ASCII
protocols are inferior to binary protocols. Here's an excerpt from his post
made several months ago:

> The first thing you should look at is getting rid of ASCII commands if at
> all possible.  Is a human really going to be directly typing commands to
> this PIC?  If not, then a ASCII interface is silly.  Solve the problem by
> redefining the command stream to a binary format.  I like to use a opcode
> byte followed by data bytes defined uniquely for each opcode.  If the PIC
> is
> communicating to a host computer, let the host convert from whatever the
> user input is to the binary command stream.

Since the OP's proposed command ("Could you, please, trigger the f*****g
device") was in ASCII, I said that Olin would not approve of it.

Not funny? I'm sorry.

Is it a dig or a joke? You be the judge. I meant it as a joke.

Vitaliy

2009\06\13@135115 by Dario Greggio

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Vitaliy ha scritto:
>> Olin does not approve of this type of command set.
>
>[..]
> spirit of the PIClist. When I explained that it was an insider joke, he told
> me that I have to take care that the general public does not misinterpret my
> comments.


I definitely took it the "right way" :) and had my laugh - but indeed I
do know Olin and you and someone else well enoug :))

Dario

2009\06\13@135406 by AGSCalabrese

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I don't like this offlist stuff as it leaves one wondering what the  
boundaries of the ADMINs are.
oh....well
Gus

On Jun 13, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Vitaliy wrote:

Vitaliy wrote:
>> A PIC would listen to one of many audio outputs of your PC and on the
>> key phrase "Could you, please, trigger the f*****g device" it would
>> recognize the phrase and activate the relay :-)
>
> Olin does not approve of this type of command set.

Bob Blick emailed me offlist, saying that my comment above is a  
personal dig
at Olin and is therefore not in keeping with the good
spirit of the PIClist. When I explained that it was an insider joke,  
he told
me that I have to take care that the general public does not  
misinterpret my
comments.

So here it goes.

The comment was a reference to the fact that Olin thinks that ASCII
protocols are inferior to binary protocols. Here's an excerpt from his  
post
made several months ago:

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Since the OP's proposed command ("Could you, please, trigger the f*****g
device") was in ASCII, I said that Olin would not approve of it.

Not funny? I'm sorry.

Is it a dig or a joke? You be the judge. I meant it as a joke.

Vitaliy

2009\06\13@142321 by Bob Blick

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Hi Gus,

Given that Vitaliy has recently put Olin's name in the subject line of a
thread and compared him to a terrorist, I was not happy to see him
using his name again.

I don't like seeing individuals talked about in a public forum. But
since Vitaliy now insists on bringing it up again, and you expressed
concern about admin boundaries, that's why I am writing this in a public
email rather than privately.

Admins regularly contact Piclist members privately. It happens. It's our
job. Usually everything's cleared up.

Is there a problem here? I am asking all of you to act like polite
adults and play nice. Don't make jokes at the expense of others. Don't
make jokes about them if you have recently compared them to terrorists.
Don't compare them to terrorists in the first place. Don't start threads
with someone's name in the subject line unless you are playing nice.
Really nice. Putting a smiley face next to it doesn't make it nice.

Even if you don't like what someone else is doing, play nice.

Is that so hard to understand?

If I write you a private email, I'm not doing it to be secret. I'm
respecting your privacy and also because the Piclist is not a public
soap opera.

I am not inviting public discussion about this. The protocols should
already be obvious to you all.

Grow up. Show some respect. Be polite.

Best regards,

Bob


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2009\06\13@143232 by Marechiare

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Valid points, I must agree.

To fix it I have 2 "kosher" versions:

First version - binary version would be:
---
I have 4 working Audio devices on my PC: ATI HDMI Output and 3 Realtek
Audio Outputs. The PC is standard. Why not use one of those unused
outputs to transmit saved Manchester 2 coded sound file? At 20kHz you
can achive up to 1 kByte/s speed - enough to manage mechanical relays.
---

Second version - "proper-moon-phase" version would be:
---
I have second Video output on my video card unused and a bunch of old
PCI cards I forgot to trash. I can set the video output to 320x240 at
32kHz or even less for the second monitor.

There is a DirectX expert on the list who said that it's no-brainer
work to draw Moon in different phases on screen using DirectX.

A remote PIC would analize the picture from the video output and when
the Moon's image is in the right phase - it would activate the relay.
---

Hope this helps. No names have been called.

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2009\06\13@151209 by olin piclist

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Vitaliy wrote:
> Since the OP's proposed command ("Could you, please, trigger the f*****g
> device") was in ASCII, I said that Olin would not approve of it.
>
> Not funny? I'm sorry.
>
> Is it a dig or a joke? You be the judge. I meant it as a joke.

I wasn't quite sure what Vitaliy meant at first, but I certainly didn't take
it as a dig.


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2009\06\13@152938 by olin piclist

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Bob Blick wrote:
> Given that Vitaliy has recently put Olin's name in the subject line of a
> thread and compared him to a terrorist,

LOL, I guess I missed that one.  I've known Vitaliy thru the list long
enough that I'd be real surprised if he actually meant any harm by it.
Besides, I don't see what difference it makes to me anyway, as long as he is
not misrepresenting facts to make me look like a terrorist.

> Is there a problem here?

I didn't see one.

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I think you're asking a bit too much.  Just like in the rest of life, people
are going to kid around, make jokes, with some of those jokes misunderstood.
Sometimes people will get a little bothered.  It happens.  Big deal.  Trying
to make the PIClist different from the rest of life is counterproductive.
Let people be people.

> I am not inviting public discussion about this.

I can understand why you might not invite it, but trying to squash or
prohibit it is a bad idea in my opinion.  Everyone who participates in this
list has a stake in it.  Discussing list policy, as long as it's done
respectfully, should not be considered a insult or threat to the admins
(because it isn't) or relagated to "off topic".  The more you let people
feel they have some ownership too, the less you will have problems that then
have to be "dealt with".


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2009\06\13@155236 by Vitaliy

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Bob Blick wrote:
> Given that Vitaliy has recently put Olin's name in the subject line of a
> thread and compared him to a terrorist, I was not happy to see him
> using his name again.

I compared Olin to a terrorist? Bob, do not be ridiculous!

Why don't you ask Olin if he took my phrase "if you leave, the terrorists
win" as a reference to himself. The phrase was parodied so much that by now
even small children understand that it has been reduced to a joke.


> I don't like seeing individuals talked about in a public forum. But
> since Vitaliy now insists on bringing it up again, and you expressed
> concern about admin boundaries, that's why I am writing this in a public
> email rather than privately.
>
> Admins regularly contact Piclist members privately. It happens. It's our
> job. Usually everything's cleared up.

I hope you don't use this criterion ("I don't like seeing...") for
determining what constitutes inappropriate content.

Btw, for some reason all my emails to @spam@piclist-ownerKILLspamspammit.edu (whom you copy
on all your private emails to me), are bouncing with:

"Message rejected by filter rule match"

I replied to the messages you CC'd to piclist-owner, from the
KILLspamspamKILLspamspammaksimov.org account.


> Is there a problem here? I am asking all of you to act like polite
> adults and play nice.

I try my best, and hope you will reciprocate.


> Don't make jokes at the expense of others.

I'm not. When I put myself in Olin's shoes, I do not consider the joke
offensive.


> Don't
> make jokes about them if you have recently compared them to terrorists.
> Don't compare them to terrorists in the first place.

I did no such thing.


> Don't start threads
> with someone's name in the subject line unless you are playing nice.
> Really nice. Putting a smiley face next to it doesn't make it nice.

Bob, you are a hypocrite. As I recall, you weren't "playing really nice"
when you started the "[OT] James, the greatest admin of all time" thread.

There was nothing in the email you are referring to, that was meant to be
offensive or insulting.


> Even if you don't like what someone else is doing, play nice.
>
> Is that so hard to understand?

No, what is hard to understand is your double standard.


> If I write you a private email, I'm not doing it to be secret. I'm
> respecting your privacy and also because the Piclist is not a public
> soap opera.

It is not your private club, either.


> I am not inviting public discussion about this. The protocols should
> already be obvious to you all.

I understand that you prefer to harrass me in private. FWIW, if the
piclist-owner filter wasn't rejecting my emails I would be less inclined to
talk about this in public.


> Grow up.

Loosen up. Get a sense of humor.


> Show some respect. Be polite.

I'm not breaking any rules, I wasn't insulting anybody. So why don't you
leave me alone?

Vitaliy

2009\06\13@165651 by Bob Blick

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Vitaliy wrote:

> Btw, for some reason all my emails to RemoveMEpiclist-ownerTakeThisOuTspammit.edu (whom you copy
> on all your private emails to me), are bouncing with:
>
> "Message rejected by filter rule match"
>
> I replied to the messages you CC'd to piclist-owner, from the
> spamBeGonespamspamBeGonespammaksimov.org account.

The "spam" will always get the emails rejected. Use your real-name account.

> Bob, you are a hypocrite.

One of the advantages of being human is that one can learn and grow. I
continue to make progress in my own life. The fact that I'm not perfect
does not justify your actions.

> I'm not breaking any rules, I wasn't insulting anybody. So why don't you
> leave me alone?

You started this, you can continue to escalate it, but at some point it
will stop. Your choice how it happens. It's obvious you think you've
been done some injustice. Is it really worth fighting about? It seems
like every time I try to correct you, you make a big thing out of it and
take it public. There are 2000 people on this list who don't want to
hear about it.

Thanks for listening.

-Bob

2009\06\13@185650 by Vitaliy

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Bob Blick wrote:
>> Btw, for some reason all my emails to TakeThisOuTpiclist-ownerEraseMEspamspam_OUTmit.edu (whom you
>> copy
>> on all your private emails to me), are bouncing with:
>>
>> "Message rejected by filter rule match"
>>
>> I replied to the messages you CC'd to piclist-owner, from the
>> RemoveMEspamspamTakeThisOuTmaksimov.org account.
>
> The "spam" will always get the emails rejected.

Does this make any sense to anybody else?

Why would "spam" in the "from" address trigger a filter? And why did my
messages make their way to piclist-ownerEraseMEspam.....mit.edu (sent using the same
account) without any problem, before?


> Use your real-name account.

Why?


>> Bob, you are a hypocrite.
>
> One of the advantages of being human is that one can learn and grow. I
> continue to make progress in my own life.

I'm just saying that if you practiced what you preached, your words would be
taken more seriosly.


> The fact that I'm not perfect
> does not justify your actions.

I still fail to see what I've done wrong. I think the only person who saw
any fault in my actions, is you.


>> I'm not breaking any rules, I wasn't insulting anybody. So why don't you
>> leave me alone?
>
> You started this,

*I* started this?!  Oh boy...


> you can continue to escalate it,

You had plenty of opportunities to put a peaceful end to it (or avoid it in
the first place). I explained that my post was an innocent joke, and copied
Olin on my reply. You kept insisting that my comment was somehow derogatory.


> but at some point it
> will stop. Your choice how it happens.

Is that a threat?


> It's obvious you think you've
> been done some injustice. Is it really worth fighting about?

I think it is. I don't like being bullied.


> It seems
> like every time I try to correct you, you make a big thing out of it and
> take it public.

So, stop picking on me for no reason. And remove the stupid filter so my
replies reach the other admins.


> There are 2000 people on this list who don't want to
> hear about it.

There are 2000 people on this list who don't want a self-appointed admin to
turn the PIClist into his own virtual fiefdom.

Speaking on behalf of all list members is silly, isn't it?

Vitaliy

2009\06\13@200206 by Bob Blick

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Vitaliy wrote:

>
> Is that a threat?

Any more questions or comments can be emailed to EraseMEpiclist-ownerspammit.edu

Thanks,

Bob

2009\06\14@031415 by Peter Onion

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Guys

Please either take this off list or at least to [OT].

PeterO




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2009\06\14@091550 by olin piclist

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Peter Onion wrote:
> Please either take this off list or at least to [OT].

While I agree that neither PIC or EE or TECH is intended for this, OT is not
really appropriate either.  Respectful discussions about list issues should
be possible somewhere without having to open the floodgates of truly off
topic drivel by enabling OT.


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2009\06\14@125408 by Marechiare

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>> There are 2000 people on this list who don't want to
>> hear about it.
>
> There are 2000 people on this list who don't want a self-appointed admin to
> turn the PIClist into his own virtual fiefdom.
>
> Speaking on behalf of all list members is silly, isn't it?

Why are you so excited to win the battle? Don't shoot him, he's only
the list admin doing the great job for free.

2009\06\14@175327 by Vitaliy

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Marechiare wrote:
> Why are you so excited to win the battle? Don't shoot him, he's only
> the list admin doing the great job for free.

Marechiare, I'm not "excited to win the battle." I'm under moderation until
further notice (in fact, I'm not even sure this message will make it to the
list), but if you are really interested, I can explain my reasons off-list.

Vitaliy

2009\06\14@183147 by olin piclist

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Vitaliy wrote:
> I'm under moderation
> until further notice (in fact, I'm not even sure this message will
> make it to the list),

For the record, I've seen nothing from Vitaliy that warrants moderation in
my opinion.  I certainly hope this was not done due to any perceived insult
towards me.  I have not felt insulted by Vitaliy in any way, nor did I think
anything else he said was out of line.  I did miss the part with something
about me and being a terrorist.  Too bad, I probably would have gotten a
chuckle out of that.

There does seem to be special friction between Vitaliy and Bob.  My
impression is that Bob is being perhaps just a bit more critical of Vitaliy
than others, and that Vitaliy on the other hand goes out of his way to get
in Bob's face.  People are going to say things you don't like, but if you
think about it no harm is really done.  A little thicker skin all around and
it seems to me this problem can be solved without resorting to weapons.


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2009\06\14@190336 by Russell McMahon

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>> ... moderation ...

> ... terrorist.  ...

If people wish to post on the terrorist/moderation/admins all stink/thick
skin/thin skin ..  thread PLEASE do it at the very very minimum under a
correct subject heading, and preferably as requested under [OT]*.

* Discussions re the merits of needing to enable [OT] to allow one to
participate in such discussion under [OT] should be held in [OT] :-).


Russell



2009\06\15@195443 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:02 AM, AGSCalabrese<EraseMEagscalspamspamspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote:
> Jan Axelson sent me the following info .........  Gus
>
> This might help
>
> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en
>

I posted this link 3 days ago.


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2009\06\15@200830 by David Duffy (AVD)

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:02 AM, AGSCalabrese<RemoveMEagscalKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
>  
>> Jan Axelson sent me the following info .........  Gus
>>
>> This might help
>>
>> www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/bastelecke/Rund%20um%20den%20PC/USB2LPT/index.html.en
>>
>>    
>
> I posted this link 3 days ago.
>  

Sorry, must have gotten trashed along with the rest of the "other"
discussion with this subject line. :-[
David...

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