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> From: Mike Harrison [SMTP:mikespam_OUTWHITEWING.CO.UK]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:53 PM
> To:   @spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject:      Re: [OT:] PICList in danger. Calling all members.
>
> <snip>
>
> >AND/OR
> >
> >a very, very stable benefactor who is able to host a mailing list that
> >generates between 1 to 4 GB (that is Giga Bytes) of traffic daily (as in
> >every day). MIT is STABLE enough to handle the 200 emails times 10KB
> average
> >size times 2000 members plus another 100 error messages,etc... times 4
> >admins, etc... it adds up. AND it goes on year after year. Did I mention
> >stable? As in no, I don't think we want to host it on your killer Linux
> box
> >via the screaming DSL connection that your Mom pays for, thanks anyway.
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but Is there a good reason why the list couldn't be
> transferred to Yahoogroups?
> This seems to work fine for several other lists I'm a member of, although
> these are significantly
> smaller than the Piclist.
> You quickly get in the habit of ignoring the few lines of advertising they
> append to the end of
> messages.
>

>Josh
>
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>completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
>fools.
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>Douglas Wood wrote:
>>
>> When Jory writes "all drama aside, maybe we should consider shutting down
>> the list?", is he suggesting that the list be turned off permanently?

>Well, the two aren't exactly related per se. MIT hasn't told us to go
>away yet, though it could come at any time. They want us to move to the
>new list server, which we're willing to do, we just need help from the
>members as none of us seem to have the time to do it all ourselves. If
>we're already moving the list, and someone else would be willing to host
>it, it might be the ideal time to move it - two birds with one stone.
>
>It's not so much that we want our own hardware software, it's more that
>MIT could drop us if they wished. We generate a _LOT_ of data transfer
>for them.
>
>Josh
>
>--
>A common mistake that people make when trying to design something
>completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
>fools.
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>
>Douglas Wood wrote:
>
>
>>Please help me to understand: MIT is not wanting to host/run the PICLIST any
>>more? Or you folks (the admins) think that the list would be better served
>>elsewhere?
>>
>>Are the host issues service related or are you looking for your/our own
>>hardware?
>>
>>
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>

>Here are the points:
>
>1. We have to convert to the new list server software at MIT: Mailman.
>http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-April/000002.html The
>transition
>  might be easy, or it might be a total pain the in ass. We don't know.
>
>2. The existing admins are all some combination of burnt out, pissed off,
>busy and or trying to have a life. Trust me, its a REALLY thankless job. Not
>without rewards, but as Dale says, you need to have a lot of Karma to work
>off.
>
>- I don't do people well, so I really can't be policing the list or helping
>newbies. Ask Chad. I also have enough to do with the site and moving the
>archive to the new list feed.
>
>- Josh is buried in error messages (which the new list server is said to
>reduce) and as a student I doubt he can always find time to devote to it.
>
>- Dale is burnt out and has a life. He is still married and has a job. Lets
>not drag him down with the rest of us. <GRIN>
>
>- Herb also has a life and spends more than enough time with error messages
>and helping newbies out.
>
>- Jory is ready for it to just go away. He has continued to find "sponsors"
>for us at MIT, but that must be getting old by now.
>
>Which brings us to:
>
>We need one or two people from the list membership to devote an hour or so a
>day (every damn day, day after day...) to helping with the list for a good
>long time so that one of the existing admins will be freed up to do the move
>
>AND/OR
>
>one or two people (hopefully with experience on mailman list server) to help
>us transfer to that new software and teach the "old" admins what we need to
>know to keep it running
>
>AND/OR
>
>a very, very stable benefactor who is able to host a mailing list that
>generates between 1 to 4 GB (that is Giga Bytes) of traffic daily (as in
>every day). MIT is STABLE enough to handle the 200 emails times 10KB average
>size times 2000 members plus another 100 error messages,etc... times 4
>admins, etc... it adds up. AND it goes on year after year. Did I mention
>stable? As in no, I don't think we want to host it on your killer Linux box
>via the screaming DSL connection that your Mom pays for, thanks anyway.
>
>... hummm I think I'm transferring Karma much too fast...
>
>Think hard before you speak up. Remember that you will have to work with me.
><GRIN>
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