Post by thread:[OT]: Attack: Assumed ethnicity

I appreciate very much the fair and humble conversation about the disasters in NY, DC, and PA. The media coverage of this chain of events, while honestly grovelling for facts like all of us are, seem to be making a lot of elliptical allegations that the hijackers are "Arab" in origin. I wonder if it is really the case. After all, the record of terrorism on US soil is dominated by acts by U.S. citizens. And if one can think for a moment that the definition of a terrorist is distinct from ethnicity, then it would seem perfectly well possible that these attackers would be US citizens. I don't know whether we are being snow-jobbed by the media or if the hijackers were in fact Middle-Easterners, but it certainly feels that a lot of conclusions are being jumped to--and promises of retaliation are being made that a politician cannot easily reneg on! So many promises have been made that backing-down will soon no longer be an option. Are they going to carpet-bomb suburban New Jersey if the attackers are citizens? Who do you punish then? Philip Taylor AP Technologies 609-882-8355 -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

I appreciate very much the fair and humble conversation about the disasters in NY, DC, and PA. The media coverage of this chain of events, while honestly grovelling for facts like all of us are, seem to be making a lot of elliptical allegations that the hijackers are "Arab" in origin. I wonder if it is really the case. After all, the record of terrorism on US soil is dominated by acts by U.S. citizens. And if one can think for a moment that the definition of a terrorist is distinct from ethnicity, then it would seem perfectly well possible that these attackers would be US citizens. I don't know whether we are being snow-jobbed by the media or if the hijackers were in fact Middle-Easterners, but it certainly feels that a lot of conclusions are being jumped to--and promises of retaliation are being made that a politician cannot easily reneg on! So many promises have been made that backing-down will soon no longer be an option. Are they going to carpet-bomb suburban New Jersey if the attackers are citizens? Who do you punish then? Thanks, Phil Phil Taylor AP Technologies 609-882-8355 -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

part 1 2455 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm from PA and I vote for carpet bombing NJ!!!!!!! That way we can be a coastal state. (just kidding, or at least attempting to on a very bad day...) You bring up very good points, and I hope that the government moves to some form of action before the American people get frustrated and the knuckleheads start taking matters into their own hands. However, we are at war. A group of people attacked us, but they were not brave enough to tell us who they are. Once discovered, they must be dealt with, else this pattern will continue. Unfortunately, people may have to die in order to save more lives. Open for commentary...... Scott F. Touchton Philip Taylor <phil@ANTIPEDI To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU GREE.ORG> cc: Sent by: pic Subject: [OT]: Attack: Assumed ethnicity microcontrolle r discussion list <PICLIST@MITVM A.MIT.EDU> 09/12/01 02:27 PM Please respond to phil I appreciate very much the fair and humble conversation about the disasters in NY, DC, and PA. The media coverage of this chain of events, while honestly grovelling for facts like all of us are, seem to be making a lot of elliptical allegations that the hijackers are "Arab" in origin. I wonder if it is really the case. After all, the record of terrorism on US soil is dominated by acts by U.S. citizens. And if one can think for a moment that the definition of a terrorist is distinct from ethnicity, then it would seem perfectly well possible that these attackers would be US citizens. I don't know whether we are being snow-jobbed by the media or if the hijackers were in fact Middle-Easterners, but it certainly feels that a lot of conclusions are being jumped to--and promises of retaliation are being made that a politician cannot easily reneg on! So many promises have been made that backing-down will soon no longer be an option. Are they going to carpet-bomb suburban New Jersey if the attackers are citizens? Who do you punish then? Thanks, Phil Phil Taylor AP Technologies 609-882-8355 -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body part 2 3464 bytes content-type:application/octet-stream; (decode) part 3 136 bytes -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Scott F. Touchton wrote: > You bring up very good points, and I hope that the government moves to some > form of action before the American people get frustrated and the > knuckleheads start taking matters into their own hands. > > However, we are at war. A group of people attacked us, but they were not > brave enough to tell us who they are. Once discovered, they must be dealt > with, else this pattern will continue. Unfortunately, people may have to > die in order to save more lives. Something about letting the other SOB die for his country... There seems to be no shortage of terrorists willing to die to become martyrs. I'd say it sounds like an excellet idea, as long as they do it in sufficient numbers and do it quietly, at home. Whatever happened to ritual suicide as a public statement? Personally, I may not agree with everything my government does. Some of it for sure, maybe even most of it, but certainly not all. Regardless, though, thinking that this justifies or excuses or even explains why this would give some crazy bastard the right to crash a civilian airliner into a city is just plain stupid. If you have a problem with something the US Government is doing, there are ways of dealing with it other than killing a few thousand civilians. Any ignorant coward can commit mass murder. If you're willing to give your life for your beliefs, pick a military target, go for it and get swatted like a bug -- the end result will be pretty much the same; you're dead, and the policies don't change. Thinking that the US response to terrorism will be to change the policies you don't like is naieve and stupid. Why on earth would we say, "Look, OK, if you blow up an office building, we'll do what you want"? It simply doesn't pay to reward unacceptable behavior. I'm as peace loving as the next guy, I really am -- but if you torch my house because you don't like something I did, I can assure you there will be an immediate and unpleasant response. I'll try very hard not to harm anyone who wasn't involved, but anyone shielding you is going to have a very bad day. I think you'll find that to be a pretty normal reaction, and I suspect we are about to see a demonstration of cause and effect. Dale -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body