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2001\05\23@112751 by

Dear people who are forced to support *both* metric and imperial units,

I agree that it's a good idea to store measurements as integer multiples of some
``internal unit'', then converting to feet, inches, decimal inches, fractional
inches, meters, mm, etc. at the last instant before display.

From a long discussion on the [PEDA] list:

There are exactly 25.400 mm in an inch.
If your "internal unit" has length 0.2 mm (or some fraction like 0.1 mm or
whatever),
then you can convert exactly to inches by dividing by 127 (or 254 or whatever).
You can convert exactly to mm by dividing by 5 (or 10 or whatever).

If 0.2 mm cannot be stored as an exact integer multiple of your ``internal
unit'', then you cannot make exact conversions back and forth between inches and
mm.

Alternatively, just use whatever integer values your measuring device spits out.
You can't get any better precision than just directly converting that integer to
inches or meters or whatever (vs. converting those units to some ``internal
unit'', then converting again to inches, meters, etc.). Exact conversions are
overrated :-).

"Gennette, Bruce" <bruce.gennetteTAFE.NSW.EDU.AU> on 2001-04-10 07:25:58 PM
wrote:

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>Subject: Re: [PIC]: Help the metric man
...
>I suggest you store the measurements as 1 / 240 of an inch and convert to
>the desired system as required. This fractional value will fit in a single
>byte and will readily convert to most of the systems in use (except for
>mils), including rounding to 2 decimals when a decimal display is desired.
>Storing as 1 / 64 is also feasible, but doesn't readily give 1 / 10"   :(
...
>Even if you don't offer alternate displays for this project I think it would
>be worth while to work in 1 / 240" internally so that the code can be reused
>in later projects.
>
>Bye.

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or
>whatever),
> (or 254 or whatever).
>(or 10 or whatever).
>
>just use whatever
>inches or meters or whatever

..how many whatevers to the inch then ?

Graham

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42 and a bit.......didn't you know?

Dan

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or
>whatever),
> (or 254 or whatever).
>(or 10 or whatever).
>
>just use whatever
>inches or meters or whatever

..how many whatevers to the inch then ?

Graham

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> 42 and a bit.......didn't you know?
>
> Dan

> ..how many whatevers to the inch then ?
>
> Graham

Base 13 of course.

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And what _is_ the value of 42 base 13?

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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Is 42 already in base 13?  I think that would be 54 in base ten.

If 42 is in base ten, I think the base 13 conversion would be 33.

Jeff

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>And what _is_ the value of 42 base 13?

54  or as Douglass Adams says, what is six times nine :-)

>
>Bob Ammerman
>RAm Systems
>(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
>software)
>
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> And what _is_ the value of 42 base 13?

It's 42 of course - just like the value of 10 is 10 :-)
Of course, if you mean, to some other base than 13, then the answer may be -

The bases are listed in base 10 decimal to avoid infinite regress.
The values are the value of 42 to the base 13-decimal in the base listed.

Base    Value
5            204
6            130
7             6C    (A, B, C ...  as in std hex)
8              66
9              60
10            54  (which is no doubt what you meant :-) )
11            4A    12            46
13            42        Natch
14            3C
15            3B
16            36

E&OE

No cultured person should ever need to use a base above 16 (too base?)

Any confusion which you still experience is normal reality at your current
location in the space time continuum.

Russell McMahon

PS Electron spin is not felt to feature in this current discussion.

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Isn't 42(base 10) = 33(base 13) ?

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At 21:14 23/05/01 -0400, you wrote:
>And what _is_ the value of 42 base 13?
>
>Bob Ammerman

approximately 5,450,200 Lira.

Graham

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> Isn't 42(base 10) = 33(base 13) ?

Yes.
But the original said or should have said 42 base 13 - which is equal of
course to 54 base 10.
In case anyone wonders where all this drivel arose from :-) - the 42 to the
base 13 comes from Douglas Adam's Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy 5 book
trilogy.

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Following this thread reminds me of an old joke:

Why do software engineers get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?

Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

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> Following this thread reminds me of an old joke:
>
> Why do software engineers get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?
>
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

LOL I've been programming for more than 20 years and I never heard that one
before.  The sad thing is that my experience is on an octal based machine
(36 bit words).  Bull DPS 8 type (Honeywell 6000 or GE 635 for the old
timers)

michael

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>From: michael brown <n5qmgAMSAT.ORG>
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>To: PICLISTMITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OT]: Help the metric man
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 07:56:57 -0500
>
> > Following this thread reminds me of an old joke:
> >
> > Why do software engineers get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?
> >
> > Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
>
>LOL I've been programming for more than 20 years and I never heard that one
>before.  The sad thing is that my experience is on an octal based machine
>(36 bit words).  Bull DPS 8 type (Honeywell 6000 or GE 635 for the old
>timers)
>
>michael
>

Same here, but my first experience was on the somewhat more obscure
Fairchild FST-2 computer (24-bit machine).
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I believe I first heard it about 20-25 years ago when I was learning to
"code" on a Monroe 1880 just before I moved up to a real processor the 8080.
I figured this forum would see humor in it...
cheers Mike

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> Following this thread reminds me of an old joke:
>
> Why do software engineers get Christmas and Halloween mixed up?
>
> Because Oct 31 = Dec 25

That's VERY good.

RM

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> And what _is_ the value of 42 base 13?

In what base ?

Peter

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2001\05\24@171616 by
> > Isn't 42(base 10) = 33(base 13) ?
>
> Yes.
> But the original said or should have said 42 base 13 - which is equal of
> course to 54 base 10.
> In case anyone wonders where all this drivel arose from :-) - the 42 to
the
> base 13 comes from Douglas Adam's Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy 5 book
> trilogy.
>
>
Now that the PicList has explained the answer to the ultimate question
of Life, The Universe, and Everything I may as well Unscribble, drink a
PanGalacticGargleBlaster and see if the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation
has any vacancies before the Hyperspace Bypass gets made.

Chris Carr
Your Plastic Pal who's fun to be with.

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When presented with the fact that when you multiply 9 by 6 you get 42 (if
you do it all in base 13), Douglas Adams himself said something to the
effect of "nobody writes jokes in base 13."  (It has to be true, I read it
on Slashdot).

All your base are belong to us.

John Pfaff - KA3RVE
pfaffwriteme.com
Registered with the Linux Counter.
http://counter.li.org
ID # 39256

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> All your base are belong to us.
>
> John Pfaff - KA3RVE

Here we go again again :-)
Now why didn't I think of that response.

RM

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> When presented with the fact that when you multiply 9 by 6 you get 42 (if
> you do it all in base 13), Douglas Adams himself said something to the
> effect of "nobody writes jokes in base 13."  (It has to be true, I read it
> on Slashdot).
>
> All your base are belong to us.
>
> John Pfaff - KA3RVE

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At 17:30 24/05/01 -0400, you wrote:
>When presented with the fact that when you multiply 9 by 6 you get 42 (if
>you do it all in base 13), Douglas Adams himself said something to the
>effect of "nobody writes jokes in base 13."  (It has to be true, I read it
>on Slashdot).
>
>All your base are belong to us.
>
>John Pfaff - KA3RVE
>pfaffwriteme.com
>Registered with the Linux Counter.
>    http://counter.li.org
>    ID # 39256
>

Ha Ha.... You got my vote for the wittiest piclist post.. very good.

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