Post by thread:[OT]: Ideas for car security

WOW! Those guys didn't notice the web cam? I guess they assumed it was off. Those are some pretty good photos! I like how many of them show the full face, I bet it was because they were contemplating taking the computer, so they spent a lot of time looking at it. That's another point, this method fails if they take the computer. Sean On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Jinx wrote: {Quote hidden}> Not impossible in a car > > http://www.geocities.com/osz/rob2/wanted.htm > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> WOW! Those guys didn't notice the web cam? I guess they > assumed it was off. Those are some pretty good photos! I like > how many of them show the full face, I bet it was because they > were contemplating taking the computer, so they spent a lot > of time looking at it. That's another point, this method fails if > they take the computer. > > Sean This was set up as a home alarm and his system e-mailed him at work that a burglary had taken place. The burglars did turn the puter off but didn't steal it. If they had he wouldn't have the pics I assume, unless he was also e-mailed those too With web connectivity getting easier it would be quite practical to install a battery-powered system like this in a vehicle, such as a goods truck or flash sedan, or anywhere for that matter. I did look into something like this a few years ago (non-www though) using an auto-dialler and low-res video down the phone line. But I suppose it's the "won't happen to me" syndrome that stops people in general installing alarms. Sure, they'll put one in AFTER the first burglary -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Hmmm, I see. I have long wondered why sophisticated alarm systems are necessary for cars. Is it that simple measures like "the club" don't work? I have always found the argument "if they see the club, they will just move on to another car because it's easier" pretty convincing. After all, isn't it true that the cars with the highest rate of theft (thefts per 1000 cars) are relatively cheap cars, so there aren't many crooks out there who are willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car? Sean At 05:50 PM 2/12/01 +1300, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>This was set up as a home alarm and his system e-mailed him >at work that a burglary had taken place. The burglars did turn >the puter off but didn't steal it. If they had he wouldn't have the >pics I assume, unless he was also e-mailed those too > >With web connectivity getting easier it would be quite practical >to install a battery-powered system like this in a vehicle, such >as a goods truck or flash sedan, or anywhere for that matter. I >did look into something like this a few years ago (non-www >though) using an auto-dialler and low-res video down the phone >line. But I suppose it's the "won't happen to me" syndrome >that stops people in general installing alarms. Sure, they'll put >one in AFTER the first burglary > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

> Hmmm, I see. I have long wondered why sophisticated alarm > systems are necessary for cars. Is it that simple measures like > "the club" don't work? I have always found the argument "if they > see the club, they will just move on to another car because it's > easier" pretty convincing. After all, isn't it true that the cars with > the highest rate of theft (thefts per 1000 cars) are relatively > cheap cars, so there aren't many crooks out there who are > willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car? > > Sean From the demos I've seen by ex-thieves, the Club is a minor irritant. Breaking the Club itself isn't always necessary (and I believe they are fairly easily breakable), it's simply a matter of bending the steering wheel out from under it. As for alarms, even if it goes off (a) good luck if anyone comes to have a look or get involved (b) a competent thief will be away in seconds with either the car or the contents. A recent BBC program I saw had only one car out of 40, (I forget what it was, either a BMW or Volvo) that had good enough disablement and could not be driven away. All the other 39 were gone in less than a minute. Nothing stopped entry to a vehicle. And yes, it's always the poor working stiff's car that gets swiped. In NZ/UK it used to be Hunters, Escorts, Cortinas, Corollas and Civics. Affordable cars with a good resale black market. So perhaps toughen up to the fact that your motor may disappear, and concentrate on identifying who's got it -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been extended as a form of car security! seyi Jinx wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Hmmm, I see. I have long wondered why sophisticated alarm > > systems are necessary for cars. Is it that simple measures like > > "the club" don't work? I have always found the argument "if they > > see the club, they will just move on to another car because it's > > easier" pretty convincing. After all, isn't it true that the cars with > > the highest rate of theft (thefts per 1000 cars) are relatively > > cheap cars, so there aren't many crooks out there who are > > willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car? > > > > Sean > > >From the demos I've seen by ex-thieves, the Club is a minor > irritant. Breaking the Club itself isn't always necessary (and > I believe they are fairly easily breakable), it's simply a matter > of bending the steering wheel out from under it. As for alarms, > even if it goes off (a) good luck if anyone comes to have a > look or get involved (b) a competent thief will be away in > seconds with either the car or the contents. A recent BBC > program I saw had only one car out of 40, (I forget what it was, > either a BMW or Volvo) that had good enough disablement > and could not be driven away. All the other 39 were gone in > less than a minute. Nothing stopped entry to a vehicle. And > yes, it's always the poor working stiff's car that gets swiped. > In NZ/UK it used to be Hunters, Escorts, Cortinas, Corollas > and Civics. Affordable cars with a good resale black market. > So perhaps toughen up to the fact that your motor may > disappear, and concentrate on identifying who's got it > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

> I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been > extended as a form of car security! Not a bad thought. If the professionals like the look of your car they'll just tow it or hoist it on a flatbed (rash of m/bikes taken like that last year in NZ, especially Harleys and big Brit bikes) so you'd need one back and front. For a few seconds of cheeky work to get many thousands worth of prime machinery you can't under-estimate thieves. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Look to South Africa for Car Security. One of the big sales items is an airbag mounted over the drivers seat. When not disabled, you get a nasty surprise when trying to drive away. The Darwin Awards has a nice description of a thief, who found it to be a proper response to fire his 9-mm gun several times. Unfortunately, he did not get it out of his pocket first. Cost him a kneecap and parts of his p*****. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

> Look to South Africa for Car Security. > him a kneecap and parts of his p*****. Aw, shame I see they outlawed the anti-carjacking flame gun. For those who haven't seen it, it was a row of gas burners mounted under the sill between the front and rear wheels. If anyone tries to hijack the car (an epidemic in SA) when you're in it, you push a button and two big sheets of yellow flame10ft high fire out very ferociously and incinerate anyone/anything either side of the car. Charming. Still, thieves aren't content with depriving you of just property these days, they'll take your life too if the fancy strikes them. And it does -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Unless you catch the theiving scumbags and use the club on them.. > -----Original Message----- > From: William Chops Westfield [SMTP:spam_OUTbillwTakeThisOuTCISCO.COM] > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:27 AM > To: .....PICLISTKILLspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT]: Ideas for car security > > Anybody know what percentage of car breakins are actually attempted > auto theft? My impression was that the majority of the breakins were > in order to steal something IN the car (stereo, purse, whatever.) > A "club" doesn't do much about that... > > BillW > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

>so there aren't many crooks out there who are >willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car? depends on wether or not they are exporting to the Eastern Bloc apparently. That seems to be the biggest market for expensive modern cars. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

>As for alarms, >even if it goes off (a) good luck if anyone comes to have a >look or get involved (b) a competent thief will be away in >seconds with either the car or the contents. There was a program on one of the British channels a while back where they set up various situations with alarms going off, and had a little old lady wandering around trying to get passing people interested in doing something about the situation. One of these was a car that was obviously someone's pride and joy (read boy racer tuned) and had a couple of guys apparently trying to hot wire it while the alarm was going. Little old lady just could not get any interest out of any passer by in ringing the police. This went on for some considerable time before the film crew decided to call a halt to the filming. Moral of the story is do not rely on an alarm to protect your car, everyone just thinks they are a nuisance. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

yeah, but what stops them from doing that anyway, (i.e. without the wheel clamp)? i'm thinking of using the wheel clamp as an extra/additional form of security and NOT the ONLY form of security. seyi Jinx wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been > > extended as a form of car security! > > Not a bad thought. If the professionals like the look of your > car they'll just tow it or hoist it on a flatbed (rash of m/bikes > taken like that last year in NZ, especially Harleys and big > Brit bikes) so you'd need one back and front. For a few > seconds of cheeky work to get many thousands worth > of prime machinery you can't under-estimate thieves. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

why not build a garage.. i have read such amazing spin offs on this one topic!! Alok {Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: Oluseyi Odeinde [SMTP:seyiKILLspamOCEAN.CF.AC.UK] > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:17 PM > To: .....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT]: Ideas for car security > > yeah, but what stops them from doing that anyway, (i.e. without the wheel > clamp)? i'm thinking of using the wheel clamp as an extra/additional form > of security and NOT the ONLY form of security. > > seyi > > Jinx wrote: > > > > I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been > > > extended as a form of car security! > > > > Not a bad thought. If the professionals like the look of your > > car they'll just tow it or hoist it on a flatbed (rash of m/bikes > > taken like that last year in NZ, especially Harleys and big > > Brit bikes) so you'd need one back and front. For a few > > seconds of cheeky work to get many thousands worth > > of prime machinery you can't under-estimate thieves. > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.