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2002\08\23@140828 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 12:58 PM 8/23/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I thought higher taxes hurt the economy!  Sounds like a viscous cycle to me.
>;)

The beauty of VAT (or GST) type taxes is that they don't really hurt
exports, as they are only applied on DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION. Businesses
pay them, then claim BACK the amounts paid as input tax credits. They are a
money spigot that is very tempting to the government. Especially since
the tax tends to be hidden to the consumer (not in Canada, but I think
everywhere in Europe where when the price says 200 currency units, that's
just what you pay).

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2002\08\25@105019 by Howard Winter

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:20:39 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

>  Especially since
> the tax tends to be hidden to the consumer (not in Canada, but I think
> everywhere in Europe where when the price says 200 currency units, that's
> just what you pay).

It's actually a legal requirement to show "the price you pay" here.  It really annoys me when I'm in the USA
that you go into a McD and buy a burger that's priced at $4.99, give then $5 and they look at you as if you're
raving mad...

Over here *that* would be seen as "hiding the tax", because you don't know how much you're paying until they
ring it into the till - you have to pay more than the sign says.

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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2002\08\25@142348 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sun, 25 Aug 2002, Howard Winter wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:20:39 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>
>>  Especially since
>> the tax tends to be hidden to the consumer (not in Canada, but I think
>> everywhere in Europe where when the price says 200 currency units, that's
>> just what you pay).
>
>It's actually a legal requirement to show "the price you pay" here.  It really annoys me when I'm in the USA
>that you go into a McD and buy a burger that's priced at $4.99, give then $5 and they look at you as if you're
>raving mad...
>
>Over here *that* would be seen as "hiding the tax", because you don't know how much you're paying until they
>ring it into the till - you have to pay more than the sign says.

I think that the fair way is to print the price and the tax to add and the
end price on each label. The tax should be printed in dollars, pesetas,
shekels, whatever currency is used. Not just in percent. This is a real
eye-opener for the future customers/voters. And it cannot be made illegal
in any country.

I'd really like to know how our public would react if each 8 shekel piece
of cheese and 5 shekel bread would show their 1.22 and resp. 1 shekel
taxes. (VAT is 18%). I will NOT talk about other taxes, because you would
not believe me. Just to mention one: cars are taxed at nearly 100%. You
don't believe me, right ?

Peter

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