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2003\01\23@230323 by Lousy Engineer

I hope by the time this letter is read by those intended, I would have left CBE long ago and ready to begin life anew. I have been rotting from the day I enter this company and continue rotting till the very last day. I hope the fears, the mental obstacles and the failures never followed me to my new job. I may not have a new job, perhaps, I resign for the sake of stopping further rotting and get a grip on myself. Why not? A menial and labourful job is much more meaningful. I saw K, started to draw a new PCB for a new Immobilizer. And I am sad. Why? Why can't mine be used? Why were there no discussion? Where were my fault? I simply don't understand. No one wants to help me to come out with the Immobilizer. No one wants to get involved. Everyone is doing their own things and I mean very OWN things that served OWN interest. There's no spirit of cooperation, no spirit of discussion. I have my own fault and failure, I will have to admit. For more than 6 months, I have been 'designing' Immobilizer II. What took me so long? And the end product is imcomplete up till now. I analyse for quite some time and identify the main culprit. This culprit is inside my very own mind. I wanted to do things perfect but lack the experience. I am helpless most of the time and the prospect that the product will be installed to a car frightened me so much. The possibility that people lives will be lost and the responsibility will be borne by me Alone is very depressing. Constantly during the development process, I received no help, or vague help from others. The self prepared schedule was not followed. There are numerous times that I just stop doing anything, just because i am unsure of myself, unsure of the decision made, afraid of the brushing off by K and unsure of the next step. I am constantly struggling inside, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEP??? WHAT SHOULD I DO AFTER THIS? AM I SPENDING TOO MUCH UNNECCESARY TIME FOR THIS STAGE???? No advice is available for me, no one is there to make sure i keep to my schedule, no one is concern at all if the Immobilizer is completed in time or not. As for myself, I sink into depression quite often, and instead of moving on, I stop and surf and read everything under the NET, news, stories, health product. I give myself excuses, I procrastinate. I started to hate everyone in the office, I hate P for his attitude of constantly protecting himself, of not being open, I hate K for constantly doing private project and discussing it openly with P, all these while I am struggling to decide whether to add another diode to the board!!! I hate them because they are the very people that are capable to helping and making a difference but did not. Needless to say, my R&D manager, has never been concern with the whole company. All he does is making calls to numerous people and students, some to argue over late rental payments ( i am wondering how many houses he owns ) and some to arrange for tuition time. His time is preoccupied in increasing his personal wealth, and making sure that every cents that goes out of his pocket is worth the value. He never bothers on what we are doing and in fact he know NUTs about electronic. He protocopy his tuition workbook while we had our lunch, ( he eats gardenia for lunch ) and duplicates lots of pirated VCD borrowed from frens. ( just to save that few dollar and fyi, it cost just USD1.50 for the latest block buster ). He even took the trouble to protocopy the cd cover and cut it nicely... Personally, I feel very sour about all these, I feel underutilised and I feel guilty accepting the salary for nothing done. I know i am not lazy and I know i am capable of doing things. I know, my limit is more than this. I know....i just need some help, some guidance and assurance, after all, i am still a rookie engineer, i have my own mental obstacles, i have my own self doubt. God, help me. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

2003\01\24@005205 by Jonathan Johnson

Everybody has to work with @ssholes at some time in theyre life but you just deal with it, get some goddamn excercise or something (sex is great for depression, unless you get nagged when your not having it ;-) Is your boss costing you money by making his? I dont think so, unless its you he's pestering for the rent. Is it your business what your boss does with his time? do YOU pay his salary? NO, your not even paying for your own salary because your too busy paying attention to what everybody else is doing with theyre time instead of looking after your own So someone else is designing a similar product to you? GET WITH THE PROGRAM... so are 3000 other engineers the world over, but them doing it while you mope around the office and whining to us doesnt feed your children, does it? So some of your workmates think you arent capable of getting your shit together long enough to finish your design? SO DO YOU! thats why they are taking it upon themselves to design a product your company can sell!..... so the company doesnt go broke and everybody be out of work waiting for someone to stop feeling sorry for themselves like you are. If your not finding your job easy, work harder, it aint meant to be bloody easy, thats why its called work. If you still find it hard to do, then go be a cleaner, that doesnt entail a great deal of thought....mop left...mop right....mop left.....mop right, see simple heh? Should you add that extra diode? add the little bugger and see if anything smokes! its only silicon and a bit of carcinogenic plastic fumes, it wont kill anyone.....immediately..... the quickest way for a 'rookie' to learn it to blow the crap out of a few parts, or themselves, whichever they learn from first ,disputing it with yourself wont help you, you can will I wont I will I wont I all year long and get nowhere, whereas blow up 13 cents worth of diode and WOW you just found out not to add it.( take note, I should hope by this stage you know what effect a diode will have on the circuit!) Worried your desing is going to kill someone? thats why we test things thouroughly before we sell them and design them with safety in mind when its an issue. Ever heard of redundant systems? If all thats too hard then design something that doesnt involve peoples lives......build a better mouse trap :-) Last of all.....god wont f#%king help you unless you help yourself......pull your self together and stop trying to depress the few thousand people that just had to read that load of crap. Have a nice day :-) Jonathan P.S I avoided mentioning the web site I know everybody is thinking of when you read this crap...well I was anyway ;-), but Mr C Darwin we thank you for your site. {Original Message removed}

2003\01\24@021156 by Lousy Engineer

Jonathan Johnson <spam_OUTjonathanTakeThisOuTOUTEREDGE.NET> wrote: Everybody has to work with @ssholes at some time in theyre life but you just deal with it, get some goddamn excercise or something (sex is great for depression, unless you get nagged when your not having it ;-) Is your boss costing you money by making his? I dont think so, unless its you he's pestering for the rent. No, but it's great disturbance. Look, i expect him to at least be slightly concern of what i am doing, what i should be doing and to screw me when the schedule is overdue. Perhaps you could try to work with someone sitting just beside you and shouting/banging on the phone for late rental and chit chatting with his tuition customers. Is it your business what your boss does with his time? do YOU pay his salary? NO, your not even paying for your own salary because your too busy paying attention to what everybody else is doing with theyre time instead of looking after your own So someone else is designing a similar product to you? GET WITH THE PROGRAM... so are 3000 other engineers the world over, but them doing it while you mope around the office and whining to us doesnt feed your children, does it? So some of your workmates think you arent capable of getting your shit together long enough to finish your design? SO DO YOU! thats why they are taking it upon themselves to design a product your company can sell!..... so the company doesnt go broke and everybody be out They did NOT design the product so that the company can sell. They design the product so that THEY can sell it themselves privately. Nobody, is doing anything for the company right now and for the past 1 year. Everyone is waiting for the management to say the final word, Close Down. of work waiting for someone to stop feeling sorry for themselves like you are. If your not finding your job easy, work harder, it aint meant to be bloody easy, thats why its called work. If you still find it hard to do, then go be a cleaner, that doesnt entail a great deal of thought....mop left...mop right....mop left.....mop right, see simple heh? I need not convince you that i am a hard worker. I know i am. Just that I am very demotivated with all the happenings. Perhaps i have a weak mind, perhaps i wanted very much to succeed as a team. Perhaps i am just too human. Should you add that extra diode? add the little bugger and see if anything smokes! its only silicon and a bit of carcinogenic plastic fumes, it wont kill anyone.....immediately..... the quickest way for a 'rookie' to learn it to blow the crap out of a few parts, or themselves, whichever they learn from first ,disputing it with yourself wont help you, you can will I wont I will I wont I all year long and get nowhere, whereas blow up 13 cents worth of diode and WOW you just found out not to add it.( take note, I should hope by this stage you know what effect a diode will have on the circuit!) Worried your desing is going to kill someone? thats why we test things thouroughly before we sell them and design them with safety in mind when its an issue. Ever heard of redundant systems? If all thats too hard then design something that doesnt involve peoples lives......build a better mouse trap :-) I was just putting that diode as an example. Sometimes certain design aspect need some decision and i wanted some feedback. But none are forth coming, the decision is mine and the responsibility is mine too. And they do criticize badly. Last of all.....god wont f#%king help you unless you help yourself......pull your self together and stop trying to depress the few thousand people that just had to read that load of crap. I have nothing to say about that, but i feel guilty that my letter has caused you to use the word god so many times and in such a bad way. The fault is mine. I am not sure what i am expecting by putting this on the piclist. But i do make sure that I put the OT tag correctly, and double check on the piclist for what it means by OT. ( no religious, hate, political ) I love the List and has been with it for a few years ( since students day). You have a nice day too Jonathan. Have a nice day :-) Jonathan P.S I avoided mentioning the web site I know everybody is thinking of when you read this crap...well I was anyway ;-), but Mr C Darwin we thank you for your site. {Original Message removed}

2003\01\24@041714 by Michael Noel

Are you working intro a ex-comunist company from Est Europe? Brrrrrrr Miki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lousy Engineer" <.....depressed9992003KILLspam@spam@YAHOO.COM> To: <PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:52 AM Subject: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant > I hope by the time this letter is read by those intended, I would have left > CBE long ago and ready to begin life anew. I have been rotting from the day > I enter this company and continue rotting till the very last day. I hope the > fears, the mental obstacles and the failures never followed me to my new > job. I may not have a new job, perhaps, I resign for the sake of stopping > further rotting and get a grip on myself. Why not? A menial and labourful > job is much more meaningful. > > I saw K, started to draw a new PCB for a new Immobilizer. And I am > sad. Why? Why can't mine be used? Why were there no discussion? Where were > my fault? I simply don't understand. No one wants to help me to come out > with the Immobilizer. No one wants to get involved. Everyone is doing their > own things and I mean very OWN things that served OWN interest. There's no > spirit of cooperation, no spirit of discussion. > > I have my own fault and failure, I will have to admit. For more than 6 > months, I have been 'designing' Immobilizer II. What took me so long? And > the end product is imcomplete up till now. I analyse for quite some time and > identify the main culprit. This culprit is inside my very own mind. I wanted > to do things perfect but lack the experience. I am helpless most of the time > and the prospect that the product will be installed to a car frightened me > so much. The possibility that people lives will be lost and the > responsibility will be borne by me Alone is very depressing. Constantly > during the development process, I received no help, or vague help from > others. The self prepared schedule was not followed. There are numerous > times that I just stop doing anything, just because i am unsure of myself, > unsure of the decision made, afraid of the brushing off by K and unsure of > the next step. I am constantly struggling inside, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEP??? > WHAT SHOULD I DO AFTER THIS? AM I SPENDING TOO MUCH UNNECCESARY TIME FOR > THIS STAGE???? > No advice is available for me, no one is there to make sure i keep to my > schedule, no one is concern at all if the Immobilizer is completed in time > or not. As for myself, I sink into depression quite often, and instead of > moving on, I stop and surf and read everything under the NET, news, stories, > health product. I give myself excuses, I procrastinate. I started to hate > everyone in the office, I hate P for his attitude of constantly protecting > himself, of not being open, I hate K for constantly doing private project > and discussing it openly with P, all these while I am struggling to decide > whether to add another diode to the board!!! I hate them because they are > the very people that are capable to helping and making a difference but did > not. Needless to say, my R&D manager, has never been concern with the whole > company. All he does is making calls to numerous people and students, some > to argue over late rental payments ( i am wondering how many houses he > owns ) and some to arrange for tuition time. His time is preoccupied in > increasing his personal wealth, and making sure that every cents that goes > out of his pocket is worth the value. He never bothers on what we are doing > and in fact he know NUTs about electronic. He protocopy his tuition workbook > while we had our lunch, ( he eats gardenia for lunch ) and duplicates lots > of pirated VCD borrowed from frens. ( just to save that few dollar and fyi, > it cost just USD1.50 for the latest block buster ). He even took the trouble > to protocopy the cd cover and cut it nicely... > > Personally, I feel very sour about all these, I feel underutilised and I > feel guilty accepting the salary for nothing done. I know i am not lazy and {Quote hidden}> I know i am capable of doing things. I know, my limit is more than this. I > know....i just need some help, some guidance and assurance, after all, i > am still a rookie engineer, i have my own mental obstacles, i have my own > self doubt. God, help me. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\24@053059 by Russell McMahon

> I hope by the time this letter is read by those intended, I would have left > CBE long ago and ready to begin life anew. I have been rotting from the day For interest, what country are you in? Is the company government or privately owned? Maybe you should be finding a project of your own to build in company time. (That's intended as a joke by the way :-) ) I don't know if we can help you but just maybe we can. Start with the above two answers and see where we go from there. I could ask what CBE stands for but that may be a bit too specific? Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\24@055357 by Jonathan Johnson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lousy Engineer" <.....depressed9992003KILLspam.....YAHOO.COM> To: <EraseMEPICLISTspam_OUTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant > Jonathan Johnson <jonathanspam_OUTOUTEREDGE.NET> wrote: > Everybody has to work with @ssholes at some time in theyre life but you just deal with it, get some goddamn excercise or something (sex is great for > depression, unless you get nagged when your not having it ;-) > Is your boss costing you money by making his? I dont think so, unless its > you he's pestering for the rent. > > > > No, but it's great disturbance. Look, i expect him to at least be slightly concern of what i am doing, what i should be doing and to screw me when the schedule is overdue. Perhaps you could try to work with someone sitting just beside you and shouting/banging on the phone for late rental and chit chatting with his tuition customers. > > Well I have worked with worse..........I have one suggestion for you.....stand up for yourself. I have worked on good teams and bad teams, there is a world of difference. If your boss cares that little about the company as the rest of the @ssholes then use your time to further your skills and design something that will give you an income when the company goes bust......like the other @ssholes......see. > Is it your business what your boss does with his time? do YOU pay his > salary? NO, your not even paying for your own salary because your too busy > paying attention to what everybody else is doing with theyre time instead of {Quote hidden}> looking after your own > So someone else is designing a similar product to you? GET WITH THE > PROGRAM... so are 3000 other engineers the world over, but them doing it > while you mope around the office and whining to us doesnt feed your > children, does it? So some of your workmates think you arent capable of > getting your shit together long enough to finish your design? SO DO YOU! > thats why they are taking it upon themselves to design a product your > company can sell!..... so the company doesnt go broke and everybody be out > > > > > > > > They did NOT design the product so that the company can sell. They design the product so that THEY can sell it themselves privately. Nobody, is doing anything for the company right now and for the past 1 year. Everyone is waiting for the management to say the final word, Close Down. > > see last rant > > of work waiting for someone to stop feeling sorry for themselves like you > are. > If your not finding your job easy, work harder, it aint meant to be bloody > easy, thats why its called work. > If you still find it hard to do, then go be a cleaner, that doesnt entail a > great deal of thought....mop left...mop right....mop left.....mop right, see > simple heh? > > > I need not convince you that i am a hard worker. I know i am. Just that I am very demotivated with all the happenings. Perhaps i have a weak mind, perhaps i wanted very much to succeed as a team. Perhaps i am just too human. > > I'm not saying you arent a hard worker, i'm saying your doing yourself no good feeling sorry for yourself and sitting in it....quit...go work for yourself....you'll be better off . As far as your comment' too human'........there's no such thing.....what sort of an excuse is that? what have you got mushy peas or balls? you only find out what your made of when the shit hits the fan.....build on your talents.....make a list of them.....and youve got plenty of engineering help here as you already know if youve been here that long. > > Should you add that extra diode? > add the little bugger and see if anything smokes! its only silicon and a bit > of carcinogenic plastic fumes, it wont kill anyone.....immediately..... > the quickest way for a 'rookie' to learn it to blow the crap out of a few > parts, or themselves, whichever they learn from first > ,disputing it with yourself wont help you, you can will I wont I will I wont > I all year long and get nowhere, whereas blow up 13 cents worth of diode and > WOW you just found out not to add it.( take note, I should hope by this > stage you know what effect a diode will have on the circuit!) > Worried your desing is going to kill someone? thats why we test things > thouroughly before we sell them and design them with safety in mind when its > an issue. Ever heard of redundant systems? > If all thats too hard then design something that doesnt involve peoples > lives......build a better mouse trap :-) > > > > I was just putting that diode as an example. So was I! Sometimes certain design aspect need some decision and i wanted some feedback. See above and, @spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU dont you know any other technical/engineering people? But none are forth coming, the decision is mine and the responsibility is mine too. responsibility is the domain of adults....you had your chance at being a little kid.....now its time for the real fun and responsibility And they do criticize badly. > dont worry we all do :-) > > > > > Last of all.....god wont f#%king help you unless you help yourself......pull > your self together and stop trying to depress the few thousand people that > just had to read that load of crap. > > > > > > > I have nothing to say about that, but i feel guilty that my letter has caused you to use the word god so many times and in such a bad way. The fault is mine. > dont sound so snivelling...... > I am not sure what i am expecting by putting this on the piclist. But i do make sure that I put the OT tag correctly, and double check on the piclist for what it means by OT. ( no religious, hate, political ) I love the List and has been with it for a few years ( since students day). You have a nice day too Jonathan. > > we all thank you for using the correct tag, and yes I would say most of the people here love the list (well not quite love :-) I apologise if I have been too harse but you really have to get your shit together mate, stop feeling sorry for yourself, stand up to your shiteating boss and workmates(people that lay down n take will continue to get walked on), get your self a real job with people that give a damn, even if you have to build the team yourself, have a holiday and hopefully get yourself laid....well and truely laid :-) > > Have a nice day :-) > > > put some reggae on while you work ;-) ......but leave the.....ummmm......herbal supplements, till after youve finished work.....it doesnt really help clear thought. Best of luck JJ p.s where are you? and what is that miserable company you work for?(for now) -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\24@055810 by Jonathan Johnson

and what is that miserable company you work for?(for now) > dont answer that you may get yourself in more dramas -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\24@110416 by Wagner Lipnharski

Lousy Engineer wrote: > I hope by the time this letter is read by those intended, I would [snip] Welcome to the world, the human nature and behavior world. There is a statistic that shows just 5% of the companies actual running, will be up at the end of 5 years period. Some people just fight and fight to keep their only one opened company, while statistically we know that you need to open at least 20 companies to just one make it right. The problem is not with the company, well, it may, product? price? timing? marketing? advertising?, but 90% of any company is people, and people are stupid, lazy, uncompromised, unresolved. This is why you need to try to build the best possible team of people, twenty times, and just one will do it right, and not for long, you need to nurture them, so they keep together and working proudly. Team work is a privilege, not an obligation or a demand. Team work only happens by friendship and objectives, not by rules or by money. Money NEVER created team work. Just look for some real examples. Rolling Stones is a live example, compare them with BackStreetBoys or N'Sync. Rolling Stones sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO THE DEATH, they love the music and the show. They don't care about the money or the personal success in life anymore, do you think they still do? They all know that if they stop to sing, their life will have no meaning anymore. BackStreeBoys wanted money and success, they got it, and after that, blew up, there was no passion in the job. Feeling alone in the project is a signal of lack of team work, but unfortunately it happens a lot, mostly in the developing process. Millions of researches and gurus all around the world feel exactly the same agony and sense or helpless, that is extremely frustrating. As much complicated the thing comes to be, more and more frustrated you WILL get during the process, because less and less people will be able to help you, and much less will be willing to help you. That's life, and this is the world we live. Nothing is perfect, nothing will EVER be (except German engines and Brazilian girls - just kidding). We will never be able to get even close to be a super-man, solve all the world problems, not even started to be able to solve our own inner problems. Many engineers know the tire project was faulty when released, the transmission is weak for the engine power, the suspension can cause an accident, the electronics have a weak point and the circuit is not enough protected against water spill or the wires can be cut under the seat and start a fire. Many engineers take few days without sleep just thinking about the damages due their lack of ability to solve such problems. How many times a surgeon think he could do something better in yesterday surgery, and the patient died. How many nights of insomnia a fireman experience just because he "thinks" he made a bad decision of go right when going left he could save an extra life? That's just life, nothing else. During many years I worked alone, my own company, desperately wishing to have a partner to share thoughts, problems, decisions, technical and business decisions. After I started to get people into the company, the right people, the right team, I realize those decisions still being decided by me, nobody else. I just have a good team working for me, now my decisions also can affect them. When in doubt, take a beer, walk in the park, go home, choose a good movie, bring a new playstation game and play it with the kids for hours, take a shower, shave, have an air cut, have that juice fat steak for lunch, buy a new shirt, buy that new tool you are wishing for weeks, buy a new computer, take care of the lawn, cut some tree branches, fix that leaking fawcet, waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a simple person that can solve simple tasks. This is what paves the great steps we can do in life. Wagner. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\24@132057 by John Ferrell

Life is like that. That is a part of why companies want young kids instead of seasoned employees. It is harder to take advantage of the experienced. On the positve side of that is that I felt that if everyone else did their job they would not have needed me! My advice is to live lean, save your assets and retire early as possible. John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" {Original Message removed}

2003\01\24@174552 by fred jones

Wow...Are you hiring? FJ {Quote hidden}>From: Wagner Lipnharski <KILLspamwagnerKILLspamUSTR.NET> >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> >To: spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:58:52 -0500 > >Lousy Engineer wrote: > > I hope by the time this letter is read by those intended, I would >[snip] > >Welcome to the world, the human nature and behavior world. > >There is a statistic that shows just 5% of the companies actual running, >will be up at the end of 5 years period. Some people just fight and fight >to keep their only one opened company, while statistically we know that you >need to open at least 20 companies to just one make it right. > >The problem is not with the company, well, it may, product? price? timing? >marketing? advertising?, but 90% of any company is people, and people are >stupid, lazy, uncompromised, unresolved. > >This is why you need to try to build the best possible team of people, >twenty times, and just one will do it right, and not for long, you need to >nurture them, so they keep together and working proudly. > >Team work is a privilege, not an obligation or a demand. Team work only >happens by friendship and objectives, not by rules or by money. Money >NEVER created team work. Just look for some real examples. Rolling Stones >is a live example, compare them with BackStreetBoys or N'Sync. Rolling >Stones sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO THE DEATH, >they love the music and the show. They don't care about the money or the >personal success in life anymore, do you think they still do? They all >know that if they stop to sing, their life will have no meaning anymore. >BackStreeBoys wanted money and success, they got it, and after that, blew >up, there was no passion in the job. > >Feeling alone in the project is a signal of lack of team work, but >unfortunately it happens a lot, mostly in the developing process. Millions >of researches and gurus all around the world feel exactly the same agony >and sense or helpless, that is extremely frustrating. As much complicated >the thing comes to be, more and more frustrated you WILL get during the >process, because less and less people will be able to help you, and much >less will be willing to help you. > >That's life, and this is the world we live. Nothing is perfect, nothing >will EVER be (except German engines and Brazilian girls - just kidding). >We will never be able to get even close to be a super-man, solve all the >world problems, not even started to be able to solve our own inner >problems. > >Many engineers know the tire project was faulty when released, the >transmission is weak for the engine power, the suspension can cause an >accident, the electronics have a weak point and the circuit is not enough >protected against water spill or the wires can be cut under the seat and >start a fire. Many engineers take few days without sleep just thinking >about the damages due their lack of ability to solve such problems. How >many times a surgeon think he could do something better in yesterday >surgery, and the patient died. How many nights of insomnia a fireman >experience just because he "thinks" he made a bad decision of go right when >going left he could save an extra life? > >That's just life, nothing else. > >During many years I worked alone, my own company, desperately wishing to >have a partner to share thoughts, problems, decisions, technical and >business decisions. After I started to get people into the company, the >right people, the right team, I realize those decisions still being decided >by me, nobody else. I just have a good team working for me, now my >decisions also can affect them. > >When in doubt, take a beer, walk in the park, go home, choose a good movie, >bring a new playstation game and play it with the kids for hours, take a >shower, shave, have an air cut, have that juice fat steak for lunch, buy a >new shirt, buy that new tool you are wishing for weeks, buy a new computer, >take care of the lawn, cut some tree branches, fix that leaking fawcet, >waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a simple >person that can solve simple tasks. This is what paves the great steps we >can do in life. > >Wagner. > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different >ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

2003\01\25@055935 by Russell McMahon

> Rolling Stones sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO THE DEATH, > they love the music and the show. They don't care about the money or the > personal success in life anymore, do you think they still do? They all > know that if they stop to sing, their life will have no meaning anymore. Do you mean to say that you think that there is meaning in the Rolling Stones' lives ??? :-) RM -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@065653 by Andy Kunz

At 07:07 PM 1/25/03 +1300, you wrote: > Rolling Stones sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO THE DEATH, > they love the music and the show. They don't care about the money or the > personal success in life anymore, do you think they still do? They all > know that if they stop to sing, their life will have no meaning anymore. What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as singing rock music. Andy -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@073050 by Jinx

> Do you mean to say that you think that there is meaning in the > Rolling Stones' lives ??? > > :-) > > RM Still in the ring on your own then ? -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@073222 by Frank Babis

> >From: Wagner Lipnharski <EraseMEwagnerUSTR.NET> > >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTEraseMEEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > >To: RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > >Subject: Re: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant > >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:58:52 -0500 [snip] > >Welcome to the world, the human nature and behavior world. > > > >There is a statistic that shows just 5% of the companies actual running, > >will be up at the end of 5 years period. Some people just fight and fight > >to keep their only one opened company, while statistically we know that you > >need to open at least 20 companies to just one make it right. > > I'm usually not one to respond to or read those inspirational emails or even save them but I wanted Wagner to know that this is one of those rare posts that I am saving. When I'm at school, doing homework and can't quite get it right, I'll "take a beer, walk in the park, go home, waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a simple person that can solve simple tasks. This is what paves the great steps we can do in life." -Frank -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@090304 by Roman Black

Wagner Lipnharski wrote: > There is a statistic that shows just 5% of the companies actual running, > will be up at the end of 5 years period. Some people just fight and fight > to keep their only one opened company, while statistically we know that you > need to open at least 20 companies to just one make it right. This statistic is totally wrong and is one of the tools used to scare peasants into remaining as "wage slaves" instead of starting their own business. When I published a business magazine some years back I read numerous books covering this stat, some blindly believing it and some taking a more educated view. You will also notice that when comparing the stat from country to country the *period* for the business to fail also matches the initial period for name registration. The statistic is generated as a result of new business name registrations compared to business name registrations that are renewed after the initial period expires. It's an easy stat for lazy academics to gather but gives NO indication of the average business success/fail rate. Many industries, ie building trades, computer hardware sales etc gain advantages from registering a number of business names and/or changing those names on a regular basis. The stat doesn't reflect the money these businesses make or whether they are successful. It also does not accurately represent the usage of business name registration for securing naming rights, ie you register a few business names for things you MIGHT want to do, then concentrate on one while keeping the others as secured names only. In that case any names which are not re-registered bump the stat as so called "failed" businesses. I've seen a number of people close down businesses, because they had a better oportunity, or wanted a change, or simply because they moved. These all add to the "failed" stat but again none of these failed in any true sense of the word. The real experts working with real businesses generally accept that less than 50% of businesses "fail", and most of these can be attributed to bad management... If you ever want to test a financial advisor or loans officer etc, just ask them about the statistic. I guarantee that 90% of them don't have a clue about the real world and will give you the business names registration stat like it's some gospel predicting your chances of success. :o) -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@095532 by Quentin

> When in doubt, take a beer, walk in the park, go home, choose a good movie, > bring a new playstation game and play it with the kids for hours, take a > shower, shave, have an air cut, have that juice fat steak for lunch, buy a > new shirt, buy that new tool you are wishing for weeks, buy a new computer, > take care of the lawn, cut some tree branches, fix that leaking fawcet, > waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a simple > person that can solve simple tasks. This is what paves the great steps we > can do in life. Then I'll be jobless, broke and fat, but at least I'll have a immaculate garden and a good hair cut! ;) Good post. -- Quentin RemoveMEqscKILLspamiptech.co.za http://www.iptech.co.za -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservSTOPspamspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@111942 by Sean H. Breheny

Very true, Andy. If the sole meaning of your life is playing music (or anything other than loving God and your fellow human beings) then your life IS without meaning, for what gives meaning to your music? On the other hand, if you realize that there is more than meets the eye, then that deeper reality (of God) gives true meaning to every detail of our lives, including music, electronics, other hobbies, etc. Sean At 06:52 AM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>At 07:07 PM 1/25/03 +1300, you wrote: > > Rolling Stones sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO >THE DEATH, > > they love the music and the show. They don't care about the money or the > > personal success in life anymore, do you think they still do? They all > > know that if they stop to sing, their life will have no meaning anymore. > >What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for anybody whose life >is so caught up in temporal things such as singing rock music. > >Andy > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email spamBeGonelistservSTOPspamEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email KILLspamlistservspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@125223 by TIM S

<waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a simple person that can solve simple tasks> exactly what I'm going thru. I shall print this post and post it on the bulletin board @ work for all my colleague's to read. i kinda like the beer thought with music myself , it helps in deleting those unwanted files in the temp folder<G>.tim {Original Message removed}

2003\01\25@133002 by Chris Loiacono

!!!!APPLAUSE!!!! > This statistic is totally wrong and is one of the tools > used to scare peasants into remaining as "wage slaves" > instead of starting their own business. >It's > an easy stat for lazy academics to gather but gives NO > indication of the average business success/fail rate. I remember starting a business for the first time back around '85. I heard all the same garbage from bankers, so-called experts, etc... When you have your $$ & life invested in what you're doing, you are not going to let it fail unless you want to. I regularly consult with floundering businesses fom a business & tech standpoint - and it's absolutely amazing to see the overall majority will pull through their difficult periods, even if they ignore all the good advice they're given while making seemingly stupid decisions. They may suffer longer, but they almost always seem to get well one way or another. They are survivors. They will re-organize, sell out, start another business alongside, or whatever. That's why I agree with: >The stat doesn't reflect the money these businesses > make or whether they are successful. I > guarantee that 90% of them don't have a clue about > the real world and will give you the business names > registration stat like it's some gospel predicting > your chances of success. The most common reason for trouble & failure I have seen to be just as stated. Bad management. Emotional involvment of decision makers at the top of the list. This keeps them from stepping back and seeing that they have been trying to sell a product or service which has no corresponding demand, or realizing that they are beind the times technically (because they are so proud of the designs products and methods they are experts at) and because they are unwilling to invest in learning what is needed to move ahead after having such a realization. Too many get in survival mode and stop thinking about anything else but day to day survival. These are the ones that get ugly, with bankers and IRS people on their tails. But, again....most do find a way to survive.... I watched a guy build a $2M business from his garage only to find that he couldn't manage what he had built. He made every classic mistake, including taking excess compensation in many forms, which he could justify 100 ways.) An honest accountant could have kept him out of trouble. He decided he would sell. He was advised to clean up his books and to cover his taxes over the next year. He completely ignored the advice and eventually found a large corporate sucker that filled his pockets while taking over a mess. The business still exists under a different name and he has more money now than he should be allowed. It's the small business owner's survival instinct...So I ask, does any real number of small businesses really fail? To risk less pain: Don't borrow capital in the first two or three years if at all possible. Be humble and start small. If there's really something in it, it will succeed from humble roots. Expect minimumm wage or less for working 168 hrs/wk. to start. Glory will follow.... Make a plan that is flexible, ask for lot's of advice and apply little of it. Be sure not to follow the advice that sounds good because it is emotionally appealing. Play by the rules. Always. Form the proper legal entity needed, plan on & pay the required fees and taxes from day 1. This will pay off tenfold later on. Refuse to play the "Get away with whatever you can now" style and "Play the best you can according to the rules" instead. The people you will want to do business with can tell the difference and will be attracted or repelled accordingly. Keep detailed records of everything. Moreso than the obvious advantages, in many ways that are less obvious at the beginning, you will find ways to use that info in making good decisions in the years that follow. By good decisions, I mean ones based on actual performance-based facts and not what you think you remember. Don't isolate yourself and think you are the god of your business. The smartest succeed by selectively applying the advice of a multitude of counselors. Make sure you are doing something you really are good at - not something you want to be good at. (this one stings many small business owners.) Be willing to make big changes to do so. If you are not sure of what you do best, ask others around you, or do the Gallup 'Discover Your Strengths" thing: www.gallup.com/publications/strengths.asp Which I have seen help a number of people already..this one has much merit. Very few don't break these rules,and still succeed to a degree. These just make it less painful and more enjoyable along the way. Even my first business, the name and form of which has faded into the past - has morphed into the way I make a living today. I can't complain about the results and rewards at all. It has been great! So, by some statistical method, that first business may have failed, but I know that it never really has. And believe me - I knew NOTHING at the beginning, and EVERYONE tried to frighten me out of it with statistics. Don't listen to them... Chris ps: Sorry to take so long - this is just a subject I am passionate about. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@135904 by Tal

> > What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for > anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as > singing rock music. > Everything in life is temporal and eventually man looses everything he has. When you get this, life are much easier but typically the ego gets in the way. Tal > {Original Message removed}

2003\01\25@144808 by Wagner Lipnharski

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Quentin" <@spam@qsc@spam@spam_OUTIPTECH.CO.ZA> > To: <spamBeGonePICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant > > > > > When in doubt, take a beer, walk in the park, go home, choose a good > movie, > > > bring a new playstation game and play it with the kids for hours, take a > > > shower, shave, have an air cut, have that juice fat steak for lunch, buy > a > > > new shirt, buy that new tool you are wishing for weeks, buy a new > computer, > > > take care of the lawn, cut some tree branches, fix that leaking fawcet, > > > waste some time with simple things that can reassure you are just a > simple > > > person that can solve simple tasks. This is what paves the great steps {Quote hidden}> we > > > can do in life. > > > > Then I'll be jobless, broke and fat, but at least I'll have a immaculate > > garden and a good hair cut! > > ;) > > Good post. > > -- > > Quentin > > .....qscspam_OUTiptech.co.za > > http://www.iptech.co.za ... jobless, broke and fat, immaculate garden and a good hair cut (bald?)... Are you trying to describe BUDA? :) Wagner. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistserv.....TakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@150238 by Andy Kunz

At 10:57 AM 1/25/03 -0800, you wrote: >> >> What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for >> anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as >> singing rock music. >> > >Everything in life is temporal and eventually man looses everything he >has. Au contraire! The wisest ones give what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose. Your soul lasts a lot longer than anything else you'll find here. Andy -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservKILLspamspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@155731 by William Chops Westfield

>> ...sing and play like teenagers just because THEY LOVE IT TO THE DEATH, The world exploits people who love their jobs. This is most obvious with low-paying professions. Teachers. Musicians. But it is also true of engineers (exploited engineers tend to get paid a lot more than exploited musicians or teachers, so we don't get a lot of sympathy from anyone...) I guess, in theory, you can find a niche somewhere where your do your 8 to 5 workday, come home, and pursue hobbies/etc that are obviously different than your job. But an awful lot of engineers spend their work day engineering X, only to blend into an evening of engineering Y, and end up feeling like they never get a break... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservRemoveMEmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@174610 by William Chops Westfield

> What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for > anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as > singing rock music. You know, most people's lives would be a lot more pleasant altogether if they didn't have to listen to people whose brains worked differently, saying things like: "What a geek; I don't see how you can spend so much time sitting in front of a <obscenity> computer. Why don't you get a life?" Or "I feel sorry for anybody whose life is caught up in anything so meaningless as singing <insert style> music." A monetarilly successful musical group has (by definition) brought joy and entertainment to millions of people. Less successful musicians have smaller audiences, but I don't think they deserve to be labeled "meaningless." Grr.. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@185125 by Andy Kunz

Bill, In order to make your point you had to delete what I was commenting on. The context was extrememly important. Your conclusion is invalid as it stands. Go back and put it into context. I was simply stating that there are better things to live for (the context) than making music. I DJ (yes, that's music), I make computers, I teach, I design. But none of them compares to having a family, worshipping God, and enjoying friendships I've made over the years. Andy At 02:45 PM 1/25/03 -0800, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>> What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for >> anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as >> singing rock music. > >You know, most people's lives would be a lot more pleasant altogether if >they didn't have to listen to people whose brains worked differently, >saying things like: > >"What a geek; I don't see how you can spend so much time sitting in >front of a <obscenity> computer. Why don't you get a life?" > >Or > >"I feel sorry for anybody whose life is caught up in anything so >meaningless as singing <insert style> music." > >A monetarilly successful musical group has (by definition) >brought joy and entertainment to millions of people. Less >successful musicians have smaller audiences, but I don't think >they deserve to be labeled "meaningless." > >Grr.. >BillW > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email spamBeGonelistserv@spam@spam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email TakeThisOuTlistservspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\25@200224 by Tal

Andy, Soul? Last time I checked I did not have any soul. You still need to show that the set of things one "cannot lose" is not empty. Otherwise, your point is meaningless. Tal > {Original Message removed}

2003\01\25@224359 by Scott Stephens

From: "Tal" <talEraseMEZAPTA.COM> Subject: Re: [OT]:Sorry for the Rant > Soul? Last time I checked I did not have any soul. > You still need to show that the set of things one "cannot lose" is not > empty. Otherwise, your point is meaningless. Depends on how you define soul. We have our individual raison d'etre, that which we love, desire and exist to bring about. And we, in turn, can be seen as a manifestation of God/Nature's purpose. You can no less un-define your reason for being here as you can un-define creation. How can you say our existence is not the will or desire of nature? > > >> What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for anybody > > >> whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as singing rock > > >> music. We all have our choices, lessons and purpose in life. Insects desire to be good insects. If nature gives songs for them to sing, or the desire to excite and be excited in turn by an adoring mob of ravers, why should I judge them, as long as they don't hurt me? They make people happy enough to pay good money. > > >Everything in life is temporal and eventually man looses everything he has. I hope so! I would hate to go to heaven as an insect, a dog or even a man. I feel sorry for those fools that are paying to freeze their corpses, because if they ever are revived, the advanced race of beings that will revive them will make them seem as desirable in character and intelligence as dogs are compared to us. Often it isn't the character of an individual cycle of energy, but its scattering and change through a complex space that matters. Scott -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email RemoveMElistservEraseMEspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

2003\01\26@072155 by Roman Black

Chris Loiacono wrote: > I watched a guy build a $2M business from his garage only to find that he > couldn't manage what he had built. He made every classic mistake, including > taking excess compensation in many forms, which he could justify 100 ways.) "taking excess compensation"?? Is that an American term? In Australia compensation is what they pay people who are wronged or injured. > He decided he would sell. He was advised to clean up his books and to cover > his taxes over the next year. He completely ignored the advice and > eventually found a large corporate sucker that filled his pockets while > taking over a mess. The business still exists under a different name and he > has more money now than he should be allowed. Sounds like he was successful in achieving what he wanted. When you say "has more money now than he should be allowed" do you mean he *should* have done it differently and would have come out of the transaction better off? I don't quite get your meaning. > Expect minimumm wage or less for working 168 hrs/wk. to start. Glory will > follow.... Yep the sure sign of impending business "failure" is the guy with the 1 yr old business who just leased the flashy car and nice apartment. The successful guy is driving an old car and spends most of the meeting listening not talking... > Make a plan that is flexible, ask for lot's of advice and apply little of > it. Be sure not to follow the advice that sounds good because it is > emotionally appealing. Get advice from someone who has done what you are trying to do. Don't get advice from someone sitting in a dinky little room getting paid by the hour for giving advice, and NEVER get advice from someone paid to run a "how to run a small business" course! :o) > Play by the rules. Always. Form the proper legal entity needed, plan on & > pay the required fees and taxes from day 1. This will pay off tenfold later > on. Refuse to play the "Get away with whatever you can now" style and "Play > the best you can according to the rules" instead. I'd question that, all successful business people know to be flexible around the rules. Look at Bill Gates. Convicted rule-breaker or not he's a much better (and wealthier) businessman than we'll ever be... People who assume the rules are bigger and better than them are, well, little unsucessful people. > Don't isolate yourself and think you are the god of your business. The > smartest succeed by selectively applying the advice of a multitude of > counselors. Author Brian Sher calls this the "lone ranger syndrome" and it's one of the biggest obstacles to brilliant people running their own business. When you've had a lifetime of being smarter than those around you it's hard to hand over power to others. Richard Branson's autobiography gives an excellent insight into the fine art of delegating... > Make sure you are doing something you really are good at - not something you > want to be good at. > (this one stings many small business owners.) Be willing to make big changes > to do so. If you are not sure of what you do best, ask others around you, or > do the Gallup 'Discover Your Strengths" thing: > www.gallup.com/publications/strengths.asp > Which I have seen help a number of people already..this one has much merit. Looks like a great book! I love studies done about high achievers, I personally like Stanley and Danko's "Millionaire next door" showing all the stats on self made millionaires in the USA. Interesting to see the Russian and Scottish immigrants ranking top in the self-made USA millionaires stat! The Americans ranking very low in their own country due to spending all their income trying to LOOK successful. > So, by some statistical method, that first business may have failed, but I > know that it never really has. And believe me - I knew NOTHING at the > beginning, and EVERYONE tried to frighten me out of it with statistics. Let me guess, these people were either; A, relatives still selling their time to make a wage income, or B, "professionals" selling their time giving advice?? In "How to make money from thin air" Sher makes the interesting point that all over the world "poor people make an income by selling their time"... The western world just has better-paid poor people. ;o) -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestRemoveMEEraseMEmitvma.mit.edu>

2003\01\26@140216 by Tal

Scott, > We all have our choices, lessons and purpose in life. Insects > desire to be good insects. If nature gives songs for them to > sing, or the desire to excite and be excited in turn by an > adoring mob of ravers, why should I judge them, as long as > they don't hurt me? They make people happy enough to pay good money. I could not put it better. We should not judge insects that want to sing, as long as they don't do it in my kitchen of course. Tal > {Original Message removed}

2003\01\26@151753 by Peter L. Peres

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Tal wrote: *>> *>> What a sad commentary on a man's life. I feel sorry for *>> anybody whose life is so caught up in temporal things such as *>> singing rock music. *>> *> *>Everything in life is temporal and eventually man looses everything he *>has. *> *>When you get this, life are much easier but typically the ego gets in *>the way. Yes but my ego is 'a balloon filled with hot air whence storms emerge when punctured' (paraphrasing Voltaire in Zadig) Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-request@spam@mitvma.mit.edu>

2003\01\27@104024 by mulliganshawn

> "What a geek; I don't see how you can spend so much time sitting in > front of a <obscenity> computer. Why don't you get a life?" > Ahh a Geek! The highest form of human achievement; never to be understood by the lowest forms of human achievement. Shawn -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

2003\01\27@210354 by Lousy Engineer

It would not be difficult to trace the mail headers and to see which country I am coming from. But, it's not necessary and i hope u won't do so. We are in the South Asia and basically, my company is semi-privately owned. 30% of the company is under the gov investment arm. But the company are not dynamic due to the fact that our customer belongs to gov and semi gov. Usually, it's not the competitiveness and capability that allows us to secure certain projects/tender, rather, it's connection and race based. ( as in everywhere else ) There are more to it, like the ch--ting of Gov grant money and many more. This is a real eye opener to me, and sometimes I do feel guilty of being a part of this, however a small part it may be. But jobs are hard to find nowadays, most companies are retrenching, and relocating to China. Whatever it is, life still goes on. Thanks JJ, for the your straightforward writing. I mean it and i read it more than twice. Thanks Wagner, I will always remind myself of what you said. And yes Russel, I will do some private projects myself. Thank you all. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

2003\01\27@212429 by Tom Messenger

In the field that most of us are in, a Lousy Engineer would be one who has problems and does nothing to solve them. Engineers, on the other hand, would attempt to learn how to solve the problems. They might write something to the piclist and then carefully read the responses. Then they would evaluate the responses and try applying some of the techniques presented. A little bit at a time, they would expand their knowledge base and gradually start solving problems. From what you wrote, it looks like you are taking this path. If this is indeed so, you must hence forth abandon the name "Lousy Engineer <@spam@depressed9992003spam_OUT.....YAHOO.COM>" since it is no longer accurate. And since yahoo.com accounts are free, choose another one that is better suited to your new outlook like "Problem Solver <spamBeGonegetting_better_all_the_timeEraseMEYAHOO.COM>" Believe it or not, this too, will help. Tom M. You wrote: > >Thanks JJ, for the your straightforward writing. >I mean it and i read it more than twice. >Thanks Wagner, I will always remind myself of >what you said. And yes Russel, I will do some >private projects myself. Thank you all. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

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