Post by thread:[OT] On Stirling engines

I've been reading them, just I ain't smart enough to do anything but watch. -----Original Message----- From: spam_OUTpiclist-bouncesTakeThisOuTmit.edu [.....piclist-bouncesKILLspam@spam@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Russell McMahon Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:07 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: [OT] On Stirling engines James and I seem to be the only ones discussing Stirling engine design on the Sandia thread. Is anyone else interested in practical discussions here or should I take any other stuff offlist with James? Russell

On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:06:48PM +1200, Russell McMahon wrote: > James and I seem to be the only ones discussing Stirling engine design > on the Sandia thread. Is anyone else interested in practical > discussions here or should I take any other stuff offlist with James? I've enjoyed reading the discussion. I get where you're thinking of an engineering prototype. But unfortunately I think James is right. The barrier to entry is way too high for a breakthrough to occur. I think many would have thought that gas prices in the $3 range and oil prices about the same would have jolted Americans (folks I know) into thinking about alternative energy. But they pay the price, grumble about it and keep moving. So to get Stirling or any other alternative engery measure to be considered, it's going to have to be cost competitive with a breakeven fairly early in the game. I'll give my example. A year ago, when hurricanes Katrina and Rita wiped out most of the Gulf of Mexico oil infrastructure, gas/oil prices soared in the US. I made the decision to switch to time priced electricity and to heat the house with electrical heaters. Not a bad move. But during the winter I priced a number of possible strategies for dealing with the peak time electricity cost of 20 cents a KwH. This included: 6) Absorption, dessicant, and Einstein space conditioning 5) Whole house shading 4) PV driven by concentrated sunlight to drive conventional AC. 3) Shifting non peak grid electricity into batteries and running off batteries during peak time. But we finally chose a mix of the two most cost effective strategies: 2) Run the conventional AC during peak time. 1) Conserve by turning the AC off during peak time. It was simply cheaper to burn the relatively more expensive electricity that to do anything else. And that's the true barrier to alternative energy. It'll cost billions of dollars to switch. And unless you have another strong motive other than costs, you won't get many to switch if it isn't cost effective. I though the nuclear avenue was interesting. I spend some time reading up on nuclear pebble bed reactors that used graphite encased fuel pebbles that couldn't melt down even if the cooling system were complete disabled. Nuclear waste and terrorism threats aside, the real cost of nuclear is embedded in the NRE safety costs that conventional plant designs must take into account. New plants cost billions to build. It would be ideal if the concept of the cheap 100 MW neighborhood pebble bed (or other meltdown proof type) of nuclear reactor could be activated. That could stablize electrical prices enough that maybe other alternative forms of electricity and transportation could get a foothold. But keep at the discussion. It's interesting reading. BAJ

You Guys carry on, I am finding it very interesting. When I posted the link was as someone that finds the Stirling engine fascinating but that has no theoretical and practical experience on the subject, but I want to. Best regards Luis -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bouncesKILLspammit.edu [.....piclist-bouncesKILLspam.....mit.edu] On Behalf Of Russell McMahon Sent: 30 August 2006 10:07 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: [OT] On Stirling engines James and I seem to be the only ones discussing Stirling engine design on the Sandia thread. Is anyone else interested in practical discussions here or should I take any other stuff offlist with James? Russell