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2009\03\29@221957 by M. Adam Davis

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Kodak has seemingly fired the first salvo in the printer ink price
war.  Here's to hoping it catches on.  Kodak's propaganda at
http://www.printandprosper.com.

The way we go through HP ink, we'd save money in the first year, so
I'm considering it - does anyone have any comments on Kodak printers
(reliability, quality (in that order)) especially as compared to HP?
Note that I don't buy the cheap printers - typically midrange business
products - reliability is king here.

-Adam

2009\03\29@234358 by Mike Reid

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I purchased a high end HP Photosmart C8180 last year that uses 6 ink
cartridges and can't believe how quickly it goes throught ink.  I recently
found a 3rd party ink system that uses large bottle of ink with a hose
assembly attached to dummy ink cartridges that will save hundreds of dollars
on the ink.

I'm getting ready to purchase it and was wondering if anyone has had any
experience with this type of ink delivery system.

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Kodak has seemingly fired the first salvo in the printer ink price
war.  Here's to hoping it catches on.  Kodak's propaganda at
http://www.printandprosper.com.

The way we go through HP ink, we'd save money in the first year, so
I'm considering it - does anyone have any comments on Kodak printers
(reliability, quality (in that order)) especially as compared to HP?
Note that I don't buy the cheap printers - typically midrange business
products - reliability is king here.

-Adam

2009\03\29@235552 by Marcel Duchamp

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CIS - continuous ink system.  The only way to fly.  I had one on a
previous Epson and totally loved it.  Ink cost was about 15 times less
than carts.  So cheap it was no longer a consideration.  Paper cost
became far more dominant.  I replaced it with a newer Epson but have not
purchased a new ink deliver system yet.


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2009\03\30@004533 by cdb

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Looks suspiciously like a Lexmark printer Kodakified.

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2009\03\30@034744 by Clint Sharp

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In message <.....BLU0-SMTP1116C21B0F17FF05B49769B68D0KILLspamspam@spam@phx.gbl>, Mike Reid
<mikecreidspamKILLspammsn.com> writes
>I purchased a high end HP Photosmart C8180 last year that uses 6 ink
>cartridges and can't believe how quickly it goes throught ink.  I recently
>found a 3rd party ink system that uses large bottle of ink with a hose
>assembly attached to dummy ink cartridges that will save hundreds of dollars
>on the ink.
>
>I'm getting ready to purchase it and was wondering if anyone has had any
>experience with this type of ink delivery system.
Not on a HP but I do have one on an Epson R300, extremely cheap to run,
not very expensive to buy and very reliable providing you make sure the
ink is always above the minimum otherwise you have a nightmare of a time
priming the system.

Print quality is not *quite* as good as with original cartridges but
perfectly adequate for what I used it for (been superseded by a HP laser
printer)

If the continuous inker is less than the cost of a set of cartridges I'd
say it's worth a try but if you're printing photos then you may be
underwhelmed.


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Clint Sharp

2009\03\30@043657 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:19 AM, M. Adam Davis <.....stienmanKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:
> Kodak has seemingly fired the first salvo in the printer ink price
> war.  Here's to hoping it catches on.  Kodak's propaganda at
> http://www.printandprosper.com.
>
> The way we go through HP ink, we'd save money in the first year, so
> I'm considering it - does anyone have any comments on Kodak printers
> (reliability, quality (in that order)) especially as compared to HP?
> Note that I don't buy the cheap printers - typically midrange business
> products - reliability is king here.

I am not so sure why you do not use laser printer. I've not seen any
ink jets in the office now. And I think they are all rented, not bought.

Even at home, I am using a laser printer now. It is cheap enough now.

Xiaofan

2009\03\30@073326 by Lee Jones

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<EraseMEmikecreidspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmsn.com> writes
> I purchased a high end HP Photosmart C8180 last year that uses
> 6 ink cartridges and can't believe how quickly it goes throught
> ink.  I recently found a 3rd party ink system that uses large
> bottle of ink with a hose assembly attached to dummy ink
> cartridges that will save hundreds of dollars on the ink.
>
> I'm getting ready to purchase it and was wondering if anyone has
> had any experience with this type of ink delivery system.

There are a number of vendors of Continuous Ink Supply (CIS)
systems.  Lyson is a reasonably high end vendor with their
Cave Paint inks (allusions of print permanence) and retrofit
to a number of printers.  Big Epson & Canon use CIS.

All Epson & Canon wide format printers aimed at professional
markets use much larger cartridges mounted in a fixed bay or
bays with hoses feeding the print head.  It is just impractical
to use cartridges small enough to move back & forth when printing
17" to 60" wide swathes of paper.

I expect the HP models do too, I just haven't looked into them.

The wide format Epsons use 110ml (~3.7 oz) or 220ml cartridges.
(prices from bhphoto.com)  Epson 110ml cartridge is $60-70.  a
4 oz bottle of Lyson Cave Paint ink is $23; 8 oz is $35.  Epson
prices are much more reasonable when you get up into the large,
professional size units but Lyson is still cheaper.

There are also CIS products that use many black tonality inks
to convert a "color" printer to do very high quality, smooth
gradation black & white prints with absolutely no color tint.
Each print head nozzle emits a different shade of very light
gray up through pure black.

One downside with all CIS systems is you must use the printer
consistently & often enough to keep the ink in the feed hoses
from drying out.  If you only print a few small photos every
other week, a CIS may not be economical/viable if you have to
disassemble it and clean it everytime you want to use it.

                                               Lee Jones

2009\03\31@093513 by M. Adam Davis

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This is for home use, and I'm not interested in running more than one
printer.  Given that, the printer must handle color and black and
white, and I haven't yet seen a cheap color laser printer who's photo
output approaches a good inkjet's photo output.

Further, I haven't seen a cheap color laser with the features of the
officejet I'm currently using
 - Auto document feeder (two side) for the scanner
 - Duplex unit (two side printing)

There are lots of other features I use occasionally, but the above two
that I use frequently put most lasers into the business class cost
range, well above what I'm interested in paying.

Further, a laser printer consumes quite a bit more electricity (or it
takes a long time to warm up - pick your poison).  Inkjets are very
responsive, and consume little energy compared to a laser printer.

-Adam

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofancspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
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2009\03\31@114130 by Peter Loron

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While it is true that laser printers have to warm up the fuser if they  
have been sleeping, my Canon iP4500 takes a bit of time to wake up if  
I haven't printed to it recently as well.

Yes, lasers do use more power when printing due to having to run the  
fuser heater and the corona system. I think in the big picture it's  
irrelevant, though...

I was curious about the actual draw on my Brother DCP-8040  
multifunction laser when it was sleeping so i borrowed a Kill-a-watt.  
It uses all of 3 watts with the scanner lamp turned off. I don't know  
how much the Canon uses when not active, but it is probably in the  
same ballpark.

ADF and duplex are killer features, agreed. I wish the DCP-8040 had  
duplex, but I got it for free, so I can't complain too much.  :-)

The toner for color lasers is just insanely priced...often far more  
than the cost of the printer itself.

-Pete

On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:35 AM, M. Adam Davis wrote:

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