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'[OT] Things to avoid in Ubuntu'
2009\04\28@164719 by solarwind

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ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html

Agreed.

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2009\04\28@171247 by Bob Blick

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:58 -0400, "solarwind"
<spam_OUTx.solarwind.xTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> said:
> http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html

With the new 9.04 release and KDE 4.2, Ubuntu is dead to me. I'll try
10.04 in a year but basically 9.04 is unusable and my current 7.04
install is so stale, I'm back to using Windows on my laptop again. KDE
4.x and Ubuntu's implementation of it are like Windows ME - it works for
some people, I guess. KPackageKit won't show any packages unless I
reboot each time, and installing a package gets you 4 popup messages.
Hit the Kicker button and slide and scroll 3 or 4 times to get a
terminal? They've got to be kidding. The whole thing is like a C++
course where you get graded on how much dancing balogna you can generate
for each user action. I am not interested in my computer as an
entertainment unto itself. And don't get me started on Dolphin! I liked
Konqueror!

Cheers,

Bob





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2009\04\28@172854 by Nate Duehr

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:46:58 -0400, "solarwind"
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> ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html
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> Agreed.

I can remember when Mono was touted as the most wonderful thing since
sliced bread, and Miguel de Icaza's interviews about how he created an
open-source "alternative" to .Net were everywhere, including print rags
like Linux Journal.

Then the open-source world changed their minds and decided that Patents
are "evil".

Linux idealists need to make up their minds and grow up.  One day the
"alternative" that allows protocols and things that are patented are
considered "good", the next "evil".

Shall I dig out the copies of LJ and quote from the articles?  :-)

Nate
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2009\04\28@173922 by Adam Field

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> With the new 9.04 release and KDE 4.2, Ubuntu is dead to me. I'll try
> 10.04 in a year but basically 9.04 is unusable and my current 7.04
> install is so stale, I'm back to using Windows on my laptop again. KDE
> 4.x and Ubuntu's implementation of it are like Windows ME - it works for
> some people, I guess. KPackageKit won't show any packages unless I
> reboot each time, and installing a package gets you 4 popup messages.
> Hit the Kicker button and slide and scroll 3 or 4 times to get a
> terminal? They've got to be kidding. The whole thing is like a C++
> course where you get graded on how much dancing balogna you can generate
> for each user action. I am not interested in my computer as an
> entertainment unto itself. And don't get me started on Dolphin! I liked
> Konqueror!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob

As a long time Gentoo/KDE user I finally got tired of compiling my own
stuff and jumped over to one of Ubuntu's spinoffs: Linux Mint. I'm
using Linux Mint 6 with the default Gnome desktop and it works
wonderful. I had avoided Gnome for so long but after KDE 3.x became
stale and 4.x is a disaster (IMO), I gave it a spin. It's remarkably
usable and stable. All Ubuntu packages are compatible too, so there's
a lot of software available. Don't write off Gnome. I'll give KDE a
good long while to figure out what they want to do, but in the
meantime I'm don't think I'm missing anything.

2009\04\28@194419 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Bob Blick <.....bobblickKILLspamspam.....ftml.net> wrote:

> With the new 9.04 release and KDE 4.2, Ubuntu is dead to me. I'll try
> 10.04 in a year but basically 9.04 is unusable and my current 7.04
> install is so stale, I'm back to using Windows on my laptop again. KDE
> 4.x and Ubuntu's implementation of it are like Windows ME - it works for
> some people, I guess.

It has its rough edges, I agree. Compared to the Gnome side of Ubutu,
Kubuntu is really less polished.

> KPackageKit won't show any packages unless I
> reboot each time, and installing a package gets you 4 popup messages.

Kpackagekit and the whole Packagekit are junk. I uninstalled
them totally in Fedora 10 and use Yumex. Anyway, Adept and Kpackage
are both junk compared to Synaptic in the previous version.

In Ubutu, you can always use the nice Synaptic. With the QTCurve theme,
GTK based program looks ok to me under KDE.

> Hit the Kicker button and slide and scroll 3 or 4 times to get a
> terminal? They've got to be kidding.

You can put them in the quicklauch or the favorites. That is what I do.
You can also switch to classic menu.

> The whole thing is like a C++
> course where you get graded on how much dancing balogna you can generate
> for each user action. I am not interested in my computer as an
> entertainment unto itself. And don't get me started on Dolphin! I liked
> Konqueror!

As you know, I did not like KDE 3.x and Konqueror. Actually I did not
like Dolphin either. Anyway, now I can at least stand KDE 4.2 and
Dolphin. Konqueror is basically useless as a browser compared to
Firefox.

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2009\04\28@195314 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:46 AM, solarwind <EraseMEx.solarwind.xspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote:
> http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html
>
> Agreed.
>

I do not. I am always on the practical side in terms of this kind of things.
Right now I do not use Mono but if there are good programs written
in Mono, why not.

Silverlight is not open. Flash is not open either. Just one is controlled
by Microsoft and the other is controlled by Adobe. Anyway, most of
us will happily install the non-free Adobe Flash plugin. Right? Most
of us will also happily install Nvidia proprietary driver, right? The
non-free codecs? Ubuntu actually makes installing all these very
easily.

Look at Gnewsense, how many of you will use it?

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2009\04\28@200846 by Nate Duehr

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:53:01 +0800, "Xiaofan Chen" <xiaofancspamspam_OUTgmail.com>
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> Silverlight is not open. Flash is not open either. Just one is controlled
> by Microsoft and the other is controlled by Adobe. Anyway, most of
> us will happily install the non-free Adobe Flash plugin. Right? Most
> of us will also happily install Nvidia proprietary driver, right? The
> non-free codecs? Ubuntu actually makes installing all these very
> easily.

Even more entertaining...

How many open-source zealouts are using the closed Nvidia video drivers,
so they can use their monitor and video card to type missives about how
bad closed products are?  ;-)

Nate
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2009\04\28@201759 by Bob Blick

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Xiaofan Chen wrote:

> As you know, I did not like KDE 3.x and Konqueror. Actually I did not
> like Dolphin either. Anyway, now I can at least stand KDE 4.2 and
> Dolphin. Konqueror is basically useless as a browser compared to
> Firefox.

Konqueror is excellent as a file manager for the web and lan and local
folders. It does FTP and FISH and SCP and samba shares. It's one of the
main reasons I use Linux instead of Windows :)

2009\04\28@220613 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Bob Blick <KILLspambobblickKILLspamspamftml.net> wrote:
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> Konqueror is excellent as a file manager for the web and lan and local
> folders. It does FTP and FISH and SCP and samba shares. It's one of the
> main reasons I use Linux instead of Windows :)

Then I think it is a wrong reason. ;-)

Explorer (Internet Explorer) for Windows is good as a file manager
for the web and Lan and local folders. It does samba shares as well.
It does web browser much better than Konqueror and I have no problems
with it under Windows.

It does FTP poorly though and does not do FISH and SCP. But I
can use dedicated programs for that.

I do not like Kitchen sink programs like Konqueror which can do
a lot of things but does not do the main things (it is supposed to
be the web browser for KDE, even for KDE 4.2) properly.

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2009\04\28@220735 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Nate Duehr <RemoveMEnateTakeThisOuTspamnatetech.com> wrote:
> Even more entertaining...
>
> How many open-source zealouts are using the closed Nvidia video drivers,
> so they can use their monitor and video card to type missives about how
> bad closed products are?  ;-)
>

LOL. ;-)

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2009\04\28@224257 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Adam Field <spamBeGoneadamspamBeGonespambadtech.org> wrote:
> I had avoided Gnome for so long but after KDE 3.x became
> stale and 4.x is a disaster (IMO), I gave it a spin. It's remarkably
> usable and stable. All Ubuntu packages are compatible too, so there's
> a lot of software available. Don't write off Gnome. I'll give KDE a
> good long while to figure out what they want to do, but in the
> meantime I'm don't think I'm missing anything.

Good suggestions. ;-)
I am a happy Gnome user and it has been excellent since
I used Ubuntu 5.04.

On the other hand, do not write off KDE 4 yet. I can clearly
see that 4.2 is better than 4.1. I find KDE 4.2 a bit refreshing,
albeit not that stable/smooth yet. I think KDE 4 will be there
in the end.

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2009\04\29@163358 by Randy Glenn

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I'm sorry, what is there to agree to - knee-jerk Microsoft hatred, or
license misinformation?

Silverlight is actually pretty neat - the development environment is
Visual Studio, so you get to choose your language, along with a pretty
extensive class library. Further, writing .NET apps is actually pretty
nice - the class library does a lot of the legwork for you, and with
Visual Studio, doing GUIs is easy in any language.

As for licensing... from what I'm seeing on the Mono Project's site:
http://www.mono-project.com/Licensing
http://mono-project.com/Moonlight#Licensing

both Moonlight and Mono are, in fact, open source, covered by
recognized Open Source licenses, the LGPL and MIT X11 licenses, both
of which are less restrictive than the GPL (ESPECIALLY GPLv3). Unless
you consider a central tenet of the Linux philosophy to be "imposing
our will on all that surround us", I'd think this would be welcomed.

-Randy

2009/4/28 solarwind <TakeThisOuTx.solarwind.xEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com>:
> http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/04/things-to-avoid-on-ubuntu.html
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> Agreed.
>
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2009\04\30@033829 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Subject: [OT] Things to avoid in Ubuntu
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> Agreed.

Seems to me the main things to avoid in Ubuntu are rabid and
hypocritical bloggers spreading FUD about non-open products from the
likes of Microsoft and Novell, especially when said bloggers don't
actually offer any advice on alternatives. e.g. Silverlight is used by
certain providers supplying broadband TV services.  It's all very well
saying this system offers nothing over e.g. Adobe Flash, but that won't
help you if you want to use these services.

Perhaps I have it wrong, is using Linux supposed to be akin to becoming
a monk or joining an Amish community where you deprive yourself of
various modern facilities?

Linux fanboys; fighting FUD with FUD since 1991.

Regards

Mike

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'[OT] Things to avoid in Ubuntu'
2009\05\02@073112 by Peter
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Michael Rigby-Jones <Michael.Rigby-Jones <at> oclaro.com> writes:
> Perhaps I have it wrong, is using Linux supposed to be akin to becoming
> a monk or joining an Amish community where you deprive yourself of
> various modern facilities?

Wrong. Running anything but the latest m$ offering (in the sense of *nux,
solaris, *bsd* etc) is like switching from a cheaply-made-in-the-far-east
bling-bling loaded great-looks-dont-touch-or-it'll-fall-apart Ford Fiesta to an
industrial quality bus (coach) with air conditioning, reclining seats, toilet in
the back, bar, 700hp 2000mpg engine that makes no noise and no fumes, room for a
party of 100, 10 attendants per rider (reachable by newsgroups, forums and irc)
and 6-inch-walled padded sides in case of collision, that is expected to run for
a few years between pit stops, turns and parks on a handkerchief and can fly or
dive if necessary. Of course one can hire a professional driver or learn to
drive it oneself.

The proud Fiesta owners can also hire a professional driver, of course. For the
lot of good that will do.

> Linux fanboys; fighting FUD with FUD since 1991.

m$ fanboys ensuring the cash flow in the m$ penthouse mansion since before its
inception.

I thought politics were not ok here ?! Aside: I run several multi-boot machines.
I will never understand why non-aero desktops from m$ take several minutes to
boot and shut down when their non-m$ counterparts can do the job on the same
hardware in just a few tens of seconds at most. Program startup is likewise
inexplicably long, with the drive light mostly stuck on during that startup
time. These are minimal configuration m$ boots, with extremely few auto startup
programs. It's as if the makers would simply not care about that ... oh wait ?!
... yes I know about the registry growing too large. Do you know about 'planned
obsolescence' ?

P.


2009\05\06@113225 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> -----Original Message-----
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> I will never understand why non-aero desktops from m$ take several
minutes
> to
> boot and shut down when their non-m$ counterparts can do the job on
the
> same
> hardware in just a few tens of seconds at most


I've always found the opposite on my desktop PC, XP Pro takes perhaps
15-20 seconds to boot on my home machine, but every Linux* I have tried
has been significantly slower.  I'll be the first to admit that Vista is
a dog however.

I think you misinterpreted my comment as well, it was in response to the
blog writer who "very strongly" advocated not using certain software
that was not open source.  My point was that with no alternative, you
are shooting yourself in the foot if you need the functionality it
gives.

Regards

Mike


* Apart from the Linpus installation on my Aspire One; that boots so
quickly that it's actually quicker to do a cold boot than restore from
hibernation!

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2009\05\07@012201 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Michael Rigby-Jones
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> I've always found the opposite on my desktop PC, XP Pro takes perhaps
> 15-20 seconds to boot on my home machine, but every Linux* I have tried
> has been significantly slower.  I'll be the first to admit that Vista is
> a dog however.

I can agree on the Vista side. It is much slower to boot Vista 32bit
than Ubuntu 9.04 for my desktop PC. 15-20 seconds to boot is fast
for XP and I have not seen such faster boot time from normal HDD
for any OS including the XP Pro SP2 at work. But normally the
computer at work boot much slower than at home due to various
software loaded by the corporate IT department.

> I think you misinterpreted my comment as well, it was in response to the
> blog writer who "very strongly" advocated not using certain software
> that was not open source.  My point was that with no alternative, you
> are shooting yourself in the foot if you need the functionality it
> gives.

Actually the software in question (Mono)  is open source. It has
something to do with the fact that Novell has signed some agreement
with Microsoft and some people do not like it. And Mono is considered
by some people as risky to Linux as it may have some Microchip
patents inside.


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