I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
think I might be interested in.
› We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
›
Programming 16-Bit PIC Microcontrollers in C: Learning to Fly the PIC
24 (Embedded Technology) (Embedded Technology)
›
The Art of Electronics (Student Manual with Exercises)
So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
I give you the hard to resist book that'll have eddies of current
keeping one galvernised and magnetised to it's pages -
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to its
programming.
Colin
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On 03/08/07, cdb <spam_OUTcolinTakeThisOuTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
> So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
>
>
> I give you the hard to resist book that'll have eddies of current
> keeping one galvernised and magnetised to it's pages -
>
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to its
> programming.
Apparently, 3% of people searching for USB documentation bought Harry
Potter instead.
Well I'm guessing their suggestion algorithm is based on "people
who've bought this have also bought this", so if everyone buys Harry
Potter and the Cauldron of Money (TM) (including for their kids etc.)
then it's easy to see why this happens.
- Marcel
> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
> think I might be interested in.
>
> › We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>
> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
> ›
> Programming 16-Bit PIC Microcontrollers in C: Learning to Fly the PIC
> 24 (Embedded Technology) (Embedded Technology)
> ›
> The Art of Electronics (Student Manual with Exercises)
>
> So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
>
>
> I give you the hard to resist book that'll have eddies of current
> keeping one galvernised and magnetised to it's pages -
>
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to its
> programming.
>
> Colin
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> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
> think I might be interested in.
>
> > We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>
> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
> >
> Programming 16-Bit PIC Microcontrollers in C: Learning to Fly the PIC
> 24 (Embedded Technology) (Embedded Technology)
> >
> The Art of Electronics (Student Manual with Exercises)
>
> So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
>
>
> I give you the hard to resist book that'll have eddies of current
> keeping one galvernised and magnetised to it's pages -
>
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to its
> programming.
>
> Colin
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On Friday 03 August 2007 11:43:04 wouter van ooijen wrote:
> > > So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
> > > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> But it is a nice book and I was right about Snape :)
On 03/08/07, Shawn Tan <shawn.tanKILLspamaeste.net> wrote:
> On Friday 03 August 2007 11:43:04 wouter van ooijen wrote:
> > > > So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
> > > > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
> >
> > But it is a nice book and I was right about Snape :)
>
> Darn it! Don't spoil it for the rest of us! [=
>
> --
> with metta,
> Shawn Tan
>
> Aeste Works (M) Sdn Bhd - Engineering Elegance
> http://www.aeste.net
> -
I always thought Harry would do rather well to keep something like a
M249 SAW handy in times of need.
Heck even a glock would do. I mean its all well and good being able to
turn the other guy into a toad but its a little moot when the other guy
can make you dead before you can get yer wand wiggling.
> I was wrong, so it could still be both ways :P
>
> On 03/08/07, Shawn Tan <.....shawn.tanKILLspam.....aeste.net> wrote:
>
>> On Friday 03 August 2007 11:43:04 wouter van ooijen wrote:
>>
>>>>> So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
>>>>> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>>>>>
>>> But it is a nice book and I was right about Snape :)
>>>
>> Darn it! Don't spoil it for the rest of us! [=
>>
>> --
>> with metta,
>> Shawn Tan
>>
>> Aeste Works (M) Sdn Bhd - Engineering Elegance
>> http://www.aeste.net
On 8/3/07, cdb <EraseMEcolinspam_OUTTakeThisOuTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
> think I might be interested in.
>
> › We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>
> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
I was just showing that book to our CFO a few minutes ago!
Bob Pease RULES! :)
> Programming 16-Bit PIC Microcontrollers in C: Learning to Fly the PIC
> 24 (Embedded Technology) (Embedded Technology)
Well... I'm an AVR guy.
> The Art of Electronics (Student Manual with Exercises)
Bench and loaner copies right at hand.
>
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
There is a certain amount of black magic in analog design.
Try this one instead, a good choice IMHO:
www.amazon.com/High-Speed-Digital-Design-Handbook-Black/dp/product-description/0133957241
> On 8/3/07, cdb <colinspam_OUTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
>> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
>> think I might be interested in.
>>
>> › We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>>
>> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
>
> I was just showing that book to our CFO a few minutes ago!
> Bob Pease RULES! :)
>
I used that book in a troubleshooting class I just taught at a community
college (based on suggestions from this list). It is an engineer oriented
book, so a fair amount went over the heads of the technician oriented
students, but was valuable nonetheless.
In a recent Bob's Mailbox, he really got after someone for suggesting a
microcontroller solution to a problem (detecting frozen toes). He really
doesn't like digital! I think there's an appropriate place for both analog
and digital. To me, too many analog designs use "brute force engineering"
where they keep throwing parts at the circuit until it works.
> In a recent Bob's Mailbox, he really got after someone for suggesting a
> microcontroller solution to a problem (detecting frozen toes). He really
> doesn't like digital! I think there's an appropriate place for both analog
> and digital. To me, too many analog designs use "brute force engineering"
> where they keep throwing parts at the circuit until it works.
Depends which is really easiest/cheapest/fastest/bestest in the situation.
And that's why there are multiple approaches to a problem.
Digital in the left foot, and analog in the right, and the same
failure mode will not likely affect both sensors. :)
> Harold
> (The ideal design has zero parts)
And the limit case of RISC is a box that executes NOPs at infinte speed!
>> On 8/3/07, cdb <@spam@colinKILLspambtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
>>> think I might be interested in.
>>>
>>> › We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>>>
>>> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
>>>
>> I was just showing that book to our CFO a few minutes ago!
>> Bob Pease RULES! :)
>>
>>
>
> I used that book in a troubleshooting class I just taught at a community
> college (based on suggestions from this list). It is an engineer oriented
> book, so a fair amount went over the heads of the technician oriented
> students, but was valuable nonetheless.
>
> In a recent Bob's Mailbox, he really got after someone for suggesting a
> microcontroller solution to a problem (detecting frozen toes). He really
> doesn't like digital! I think there's an appropriate place for both analog
> and digital. To me, too many analog designs use "brute force engineering"
> where they keep throwing parts at the circuit until it works.
>
> Harold
> (The ideal design has zero parts)
>
>
>
>
Right on the mark, Harold.
The problem with pure non-uP designs is that you are forced to purchase
those specialized hardware chips.
In real life, it is not practical to sell such a product, which shows
Bob Pease' ignorance of market forces.
Making one or two of anything is nothing. Making 10,000 of a product a
week separates the men from the
boys in a big hurry.
Large, successful electronics companies require their design engineers
to pick components from a book of
proven vendors. If you decide to use a NEW component, you must be
prepared to run thru a gauntlet of
requirements, such as a minimum of two viable vendors, a repeatable cost
break in high quantities (if this
too high, it indicates production or cash flow problems), etc. A viable
vendor is one that can pass a test
from Dun & Bradstreet (or whoever does this analysis now).
For example: TI, National, and Panasonic are considered to be TOP-LEVEL
vendors. Motorola, Fujitsu,
and Toshiba are excellent vendors but sometimes cannot deliver reliably.
Maxim, Cirrus, Cypress, and a
plethora of Asian vendors are considered unreliable, despite that fact
that they make some wonderful parts.
Maxim is especially bad; they have 18 week delivery dates almost across
the board, totally unacceptable to
most successful electronics companies.
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>On Behalf Of Harold Hallikainen
>Sent: 03 August 2007 15:35
>To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
>Subject: Re: [OT]Amazons idea of an electronics book
>
>
>
>> On 8/3/07, cdb <spamBeGonecolinspamBeGonebtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I received today a list from Amazon US of electronics books they
>>> think I might be interested in.
>>>
>>> > We recommended the items above because you purchased or rated:
>>>
>>> Troubleshooting Analog Circuits (EDN Series for Design Engineers)
>>
>> I was just showing that book to our CFO a few minutes ago! Bob Pease
>> RULES! :)
>>
>
>I used that book in a troubleshooting class I just taught at a
>community college (based on suggestions from this list). It is
>an engineer oriented book, so a fair amount went over the
>heads of the technician oriented students, but was valuable
>nonetheless.
>
>In a recent Bob's Mailbox, he really got after someone for
>suggesting a microcontroller solution to a problem (detecting
>frozen toes). He really doesn't like digital! I think there's
>an appropriate place for both analog and digital. To me, too
>many analog designs use "brute force engineering" where they
>keep throwing parts at the circuit until it works.
I'm sure Bob is regarded as something of a god in the analog electronics world, but his blind refusal to accept digital methods is extrordinary, moreso when the problem is clearly suited to a micro based solution.
A tiny 6 or 8 pin low power micro and digital temperature sensors would reduce parts count and current consumption dramaticly. There is no reason this couldn't run from e.g. a couple of silver oxide cells for weeks, rather than the few days from 4 AA cells he mentions.
His rebuttal to a readers comment <http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/ArticleID/15881/15881.html> complains of a digital solution only warning him when it's too late. Sorry Mr Pease, that's only the case if it's been programmed to do so. Why not look at the rate of change of temperature as well as absolute? A quick code change for the micro based design, extra op-amps, caps and resistors for the analog solution, giving higher current consumption as well.
He also mentions how his design can accomodate up to 4 sensors. Big deal, use some Dallas 1 wire parts and you can have as many sensors as you want all on the same two wire bus.
Time to open your eyes to the possibilities of digital electronics Bob.
Mike
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>> In a recent Bob's Mailbox, he really got after someone for suggesting a
>> microcontroller solution to a problem (detecting frozen toes). He really
>> doesn't like digital! I think there's an appropriate place for both
>> analog
>> and digital. To me, too many analog designs use "brute force
>> engineering"
>> where they keep throwing parts at the circuit until it works.
>
> Depends which is really easiest/cheapest/fastest/bestest in the situation.
> And that's why there are multiple approaches to a problem.
> Digital in the left foot, and analog in the right, and the same
> failure mode will not likely affect both sensors. :)
>
>
>> Harold
>> (The ideal design has zero parts)
>
> And the limit case of RISC is a box that executes NOPs at infinte speed!
Back when we moved from 8 inch floppies to 5.25 inch floppies to 3.5 inch
floppies with increasing capacity of each along the way, I wondered what
the capacity of a zero inch floppy would be...
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 12:43 +0200, wouter van ooijen wrote:
> > > So what is this brilliant book they think will appeal to me?
> > > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> But it is a nice book and I was right about Snape :)
So was I! Although, I will say, I wasn't right about the reasons Snape
had for doing what he did (a woman).
Bob Axtell <TakeThisOuTengineerEraseMEspam_OUTcotse.net> wrote:
Maxim, Cirrus, Cypress, and a
plethora of Asian vendors are considered unreliable, despite that fact
that they make some wonderful parts.
Maxim is especially bad; they have 18 week delivery dates almost across
the board, totally unacceptable to
most successful electronics companies.
>
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to
> its programming.
Not exactly the same genre huh?
But I must say the book was excellent. The pain of loosing my parents and of
reaching an age were I can see my own end at the other side of the tunnel
was eased by reading it. Probably the best book I've ever read.
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:45 -0700, James Newtons Massmind wrote:
> >
> > Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
> >
> > I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to
> > its programming.
>
>
> Not exactly the same genre huh?
>
> But I must say the book was excellent. The pain of loosing my parents and of
> reaching an age were I can see my own end at the other side of the tunnel
> was eased by reading it. Probably the best book I've ever read.
Have you read the whole series? FWIW I agree that it is by far the best
book of the series. Ever read? Possibly, I'd have to think about that.
TTYL
Harry who?? I really need to do something other than work.....
James Newtons Massmind <RemoveMEjamesnewtonTakeThisOuTmassmind.org> wrote: >
> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>
> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to
> its programming.
Not exactly the same genre huh?
But I must say the book was excellent. The pain of loosing my parents and of
reaching an age were I can see my own end at the other side of the tunnel
was eased by reading it. Probably the best book I've ever read.
> Back when we moved from 8 inch floppies to 5.25 inch floppies to 3.5 inch
> floppies with increasing capacity of each along the way, I wondered what
> the capacity of a zero inch floppy would be...
Well, my postage stamp sized SD card is 4G, so it seems to be a
"hockey stick" curve.
And we wonder why we can't detect alien civilizations..
Would we even be able to decode our own signals from 20 years in the future?
Herbert Graf wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:45 -0700, James Newtons Massmind wrote:
>
>>> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
>>>
>>> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to
>>> its programming.
>>>
>> Not exactly the same genre huh?
>>
>> But I must say the book was excellent. The pain of loosing my parents and of
>> reaching an age were I can see my own end at the other side of the tunnel
>> was eased by reading it. Probably the best book I've ever read.
>>
>
> Have you read the whole series? FWIW I agree that it is by far the best
> book of the series. Ever read? Possibly, I'd have to think about that.
> TTYL
>
>
Naaah. LOTR is still best.
Rolf
(in fact, I have enjoyed the Robert Jordan's "Wheel Of Time" series and
Terry Goodkind's "The Sword Of Truth" series at least as much as the HP
series from JKR...).
> Have you read the whole series? FWIW I agree that it is by
> far the best book of the series.
agreed
> Ever read? Possibly, I'd
> have to think about that.
not by a wide margin. but still a nice book.
funny: IMHO it is *not* well written in the sence that it shows great
language skills, like most great authors (just to name some UK authors:
Tolkien, Pratchet). But it is still a very nice book to read, much nicer
IMHO than Tolkien (but no match for Pratchet).
Wouter van Ooijen
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alan smith wrote:
> You've had bad luck with Cypress?
>
> Bob Axtell <engineerEraseME.....cotse.net> wrote:
> Maxim, Cirrus, Cypress, and a
> plethora of Asian vendors are considered unreliable, despite that fact
> that they make some wonderful parts.
> Maxim is especially bad; they have 18 week delivery dates almost across
> the board, totally unacceptable to
> most successful electronics companies.
>
> --Bob Axtell
>
>
Its a bit of old history. Are they better now?
Marcel Birthelmer wrote:
> Well I'm guessing their suggestion algorithm is based on "people
> who've bought this have also bought this", so if everyone buys Harry
> Potter and the Cauldron of Money (TM) (including for their kids etc.)
> then it's easy to see why this happens.
Yeah, I bought a single book on ADD a while back (more of a curiosity
than anything, and I do exhibit *some* traits of ADD but don't think I'd
go so far as to say I'm an "ADD poster child"...) and ever since,
Amazon's regularly mailed "suggestions" come in with a myriad of
ridiculous self-help ADD books.
I never had a chance to reply to that OT thread a few weeks ago where
someone was searching their life asking questions about some behaviors
that were similar to ADD, but ... oh well... it was an interesting
thread. I was traveling and DISTRACTED. (GRIN... LOL!)
But Amazon's "suggestion" engine is definitely set on "repeated stun"
mode here... it blasts away with useless suggestions to me all the time.
I'm sure it works for some. I'm mostly turned off by it, but I do
find they're still a convenient place to buy some things.
Heck, maybe they even crank it up to "annoying" (this suggestion engine
goes to 11!)... for anyone who orders an ADD book, to try to keep their
attention? :-) Maybe it's smarter than I think it is. (Heh heh...)
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 14:12 -0400, Rolf wrote: {Quote hidden}
> Herbert Graf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:45 -0700, James Newtons Massmind wrote:
> >
> >>> Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (Book 7)
> >>>
> >>> I think their search machine may need a minor amendment to
> >>> its programming.
> >>>
> >> Not exactly the same genre huh?
> >>
> >> But I must say the book was excellent. The pain of loosing my parents and of
> >> reaching an age were I can see my own end at the other side of the tunnel
> >> was eased by reading it. Probably the best book I've ever read.
> >>
> >
> > Have you read the whole series? FWIW I agree that it is by far the best
> > book of the series. Ever read? Possibly, I'd have to think about that.
> > TTYL
> >
> >
> Naaah. LOTR is still best.
While I am glad I read LOTR, I don't consider them them to be very
"good". They are certainly worth reading, but they are "hard" reads, and
can at times get very drawn out. "The Hobbit" was quite a good book
OTOH.
With regards to the LOTR movies however, lets not open that ugly
door... :)
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