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'[OT]Manufacturable designs'
2009\03\28@060207 by cdb

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Well I never, a New Zealand electronics manufacturer is advertising
for a Design Engineer. One of the must do's is -

Provide hands on engineering support in the delivery of reliable
manufacturable electronic designs.

And the poor person will also have to -

Interface between Manufacturing and R&D to ensure new products are
cost effective.

OK, I have worked  for a company where designs were difficult for the
assemblers to handle - but I'm not sure people intend to design
products that are just pretty to look at.

As for interfacing - well what OSI layer must they refer to? What if
the interface connector(s) are of the same prongage or lack thereof?  
Will it be a marriage of convenience between R&D and Manufacturing?

It's quite interesting there about 4 major companies in NZ that since
January have been advertising for various staff and yet they are
making the must haves so tailored (in one case) that I wonder how many
people are actually applying, in fact either not many or the wrong
types because each week the same adverts are appearing through
different agencies - one even stated that foreigners were welcome to
apply.

One would think that someone somewhere might say - hmm 3 months of
advertising and we're not getting what we need, "I wonder if we need
to rethink our requirements or our criteria to the agencies".

Colin
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'[OT]Manufacturable designs'
2009\04\02@141042 by Vitaliy
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Colin wrote:
> Well I never, a New Zealand electronics manufacturer is advertising
> for a Design Engineer. One of the must do's is -
>
> Provide hands on engineering support in the delivery of reliable
> manufacturable electronic designs.
>
> And the poor person will also have to -
>
> Interface between Manufacturing and R&D to ensure new products are
> cost effective.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with these requirements.


> OK, I have worked  for a company where designs were difficult for the
> assemblers to handle - but I'm not sure people intend to design
> products that are just pretty to look at.

It takes a certain aptidute and some amount of experience to understand what
it means to "design for manufacturability". It's not all common sense.


> As for interfacing - well what OSI layer must they refer to? What if
> the interface connector(s) are of the same prongage or lack thereof?
> Will it be a marriage of convenience between R&D and Manufacturing?

Same as above. Engineers like to design cool and interesting gadgets, but
someone needs to keep an eye on them to make sure they don't go nuts and
design something that costs too much to be marketable. For this position, it
would help to have an MPD, so you can appreciate both sides (R&D and Mfr).

Vitaliy

2009\04\02@170547 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Vitaliy wrote:

>> And the poor person will also have to -
>>
>> Interface between Manufacturing and R&D to ensure new products are
>> cost effective.
>
> I honestly don't see anything wrong with these requirements.
>
>
>> OK, I have worked  for a company where designs were difficult for the
>> assemblers to handle - but I'm not sure people intend to design
>> products that are just pretty to look at.
>
> It takes a certain aptidute and some amount of experience to  
> understand what
> it means to "design for manufacturability". It's not all common sense.

Indeed.  It almost sounds like this company had some sort of internal  
battle between their manufacturing guy and their R&D engineer, and the  
manufacturing guy turned out to be right, and they now want a new R&D  
guy.  Don't design in lots of those lovely special-purpose maxim  
parts!  I can picture it rather vividly...

BillW

2009\04\02@172742 by Carl Denk

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That's part of what Ford Motor did some years ago, everyone was there
together as a team. As distance as it seems, as the guy who handled the
concrete foundation for a machine that say machines engine blocks, I was
told to go see the machine people at a very early stage (barely beyond
the sketch on a napkin). We reviewed their standard details, I discussed
the standards that our plant had, and we came to an agreement what parts
of the machine looked like. Other members of the team included the
people that would be operating the machine, maintenance, union health
and safety, cost accounting, management, and others. Those were some of
the best outcomes that their were.

William "Chops" Westfield wrote:
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2009\04\02@213626 by Tony Smith

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> > Interface between Manufacturing and R&D to ensure new products are
> > cost effective.
>
> I honestly don't see anything wrong with these requirements.
>
>
> > As for interfacing - well what OSI layer must they refer to? What if
> > the interface connector(s) are of the same prongage or lack thereof?
> > Will it be a marriage of convenience between R&D and Manufacturing?
>
> Same as above. Engineers like to design cool and interesting gadgets, but
> someone needs to keep an eye on them to make sure they don't go nuts and
> design something that costs too much to be marketable. For this position,
it
> would help to have an MPD, so you can appreciate both sides (R&D and Mfr).


It's fairly common to have someone act as the 'interface' for two groups.  I
once had the role of 'sales engineer', meaning I was to stop the sales team
selling crap, and the programmers writing crap.

Tony

2009\04\02@214503 by cdb

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I was actually questioning their choice of words.

A bit like shops that advertise we sell 'Fresh Eggs' , apart from the
fact I wouldn't expect them to sell stale ones, I want to see them
advertise 'Stale Eggs' in other words they are using a superfluous
amount of words to make something sound more exciting than it is.

Mind you I've just seen an amusing Freudian? typo for a field
technician.

The position entails being  - A field based positron !

That's one very heavy job for the Dark Lord, Luke my son!

Colin

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2009\04\03@043752 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I was actually questioning their choice of words.
>
>A bit like shops that advertise we sell 'Fresh Eggs' , apart
>from the fact I wouldn't expect them to sell stale ones, I
>want to see them advertise 'Stale Eggs' in other words they
>are using a superfluous amount of words to make something
>sound more exciting than it is.

Wonder what the advertising standards authority would think, or the health
inspector ...

Maybe you would like to advertise items of the colour in the second picture
here ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/article.cfm?c_id=702&objectid=10564361

or use the fridge in the photo here  ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10564719



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