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Hi !

Does the "new" PIClist relay HTML formatted posts ?

I've got a few "funny-formatted" posts today that, when analyzed

seems to be in HTML format (at least partly).

How did the "old" PIClist handle those posts ?

Regards,

Jan-Erik.

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> Does the "new" PIClist relay HTML formatted posts ?

Yes.

> I've got a few "funny-formatted" posts today that, when analyzed

> seems to be in HTML format (at least partly).

I've seen at least one full HTML message today.

Quick check finds several more.

> How did the "old" PIClist handle those posts ?

Old was also able to forward HTML.

Preferred format is of course plain text.

May be time for eg James to issue a reminder?

        RM

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or lock it down to plain text, we dont want html crp :-)

> Preferred format is of course plain text.

> May be time for eg James to issue a reminder?

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:09:42 +0200 (CEST), Jan-Erik Soderholm

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> Does the "new" PIClist relay HTML formatted posts ?

I've just had a play with some of the Mailman settings.  Hopefully,

any html messages sent to the list will be converted to plain text

before being distributed.

Dan

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Russell McMahon wrote:

> Old was also able to forward HTML.

> Preferred format is of course plain text.

> May be time for eg James to issue a reminder?

Better yet, can the new server reject HTML messages outright?

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Dan Smith wrote:

> I've just had a play with some of the Mailman settings.  Hopefully,

> any html messages sent to the list will be converted to plain text

> before being distributed.

That will probably make them look like a mess.  Is it possible to just

reject HTML postings?  That will force people to fix the problem at the

source instead of the list server attempting to cover it up.

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It is probably due to the recent change of e-address for the list.

Most of us add the address to our address book and set that address for

"send plain text only".

KF4HAZ - Lonnie

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{Quote hidden}> Dan Smith wrote:

> > I've just had a play with some of the Mailman settings.  Hopefully,

> > any html messages sent to the list will be converted to plain text

> > before being distributed.

>

> That will probably make them look like a mess.  Is it possible to just

> reject HTML postings?  That will force people to fix the problem at the

> source instead of the list server attempting to cover it up.

>

>

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At 09:25 AM 8/31/2004, Olin Lathrop wrote:

>Dan Smith wrote:

>

>That will probably make them look like a mess.  Is it possible to just

>reject HTML postings?  That will force people to fix the problem at the

>source instead of the list server attempting to cover it up.

Not if its done properly.  If I recall correctly, many people (mostly 

newbies) posted HTML messages to the old listserver which did a great job 

of stripping out all the HTML stuff.  I'm hoping that Mailman is as good - 

I suspect it is.

dwayne

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:22:27 -0400, Olin Lathrop

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> Better yet, can the new server reject HTML messages outright?

I've configured the Mailman server to reject text\html mime types. 

Hopefully, this should sort out the problem once and for all.  If

anyone has any problems with this, please let me know.

Dan

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Many email programs send HTML messages as two part MIME email, one in 

regular text and one in html.  Often the list server doesn't actually do 

any conversion, it simply strips any disallowed mime types, such as 

HTML, leaving the text only mime type.

Another list I'm on says "[Non-text portions of this message have been 

removed]" when it runs into one of these mime types.

Of course, if anyone is using an email program that only sends HTML and 

doesn't include a regular text version their messages will be blank.

If the piclist wants to support beginners stripping HTML would be the 

best balance between the two extremes. 

-Adam

Olin Lathrop wrote:

{Quote hidden}>Russell McMahon wrote:

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>>Old was also able to forward HTML.

>>Preferred format is of course plain text.

>>May be time for eg James to issue a reminder?

>>    

>>

>

>Better yet, can the new server reject HTML messages outright?

>

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M. Adam Davis wrote:

> Many email programs send HTML messages as two part MIME email, one in

> regular text and one in html.

Only if you configure it that way.  I doubt that many mail clients require

sending an HTML version.  Certainly there are many readily available that

don't.  MS Outlook Express is one of the worst in terms of irresponsible

default settings, and even it can be configured for plain text.  That's what

I'm using to send this message right now.

There is no excuse for HTML on this list in any form, and we might as well

make that clear and enforce it up front.

> If the piclist wants to support beginners stripping HTML would be the

> best balance between the two extremes.

Maybe, if you meant beginners to computers.  However, anyone who is either

too lazy or too stupid to configure their email client for plain text isn't

ready for microcontrollers and is just going to be a waste of time and

bandwidth on the PIClist.  Think of it as a very basic intelligence test.

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:38:54 -0400, M. Adam Davis <.....adampicKILLspam.....ubasics.com> wrote:

> If the piclist wants to support beginners stripping HTML would be the

> best balance between the two extremes.

If you see my post '[OT] Admin - Testing list HTML rejection', this is

how the list now behaves.  I posted a test email from Outlook Express

containing both plain text and html parts.  The html was stripped

automagically and just the plain text made it to the list.

Dan

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> > If the piclist wants to support beginners stripping HTML would be the

> > best balance between the two extremes.

> If you see my post '[OT] Admin - Testing list HTML rejection', this is

> how the list now behaves.  I posted a test email from Outlook Express

> containing both plain text and html parts.  The html was stripped

> automagically and just the plain text made it to the list.

This may be true - but it wasn't universally true yesterday*

Have you changed a setting since then?

        RM

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* eg To give just 2 examples:

At 1:09am on 1/9/2004 Ake Hedman's post contained this -

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

<HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE>

<META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1>

<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR>

<STYLE></STYLE>

</HEAD>

etc

and slightly before that Phil Eisermann's had the same.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:14:47 +1200, Russell McMahon

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> > If you see my post '[OT] Admin - Testing list HTML rejection', this is

> > how the list now behaves.  I posted a test email from Outlook Express

> > containing both plain text and html parts.  The html was stripped

> > automagically and just the plain text made it to the list.

> 

> This may be true - but it wasn't universally true yesterday*

> Have you changed a setting since then?

Yes, I tweaked the content filtering in Mailman.  We're gradually

getting the list settings sorted out :-)

Dan

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Olin,

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:22:27 -0400, Olin Lathrop wrote:

> Russell McMahon wrote:

> > Old was also able to forward HTML.

> > Preferred format is of course plain text.

> > May be time for eg James to issue a reminder?

> 

> Better yet, can the new server reject HTML messages outright?

I'll see your "reject the message" and raise you "ban the sender"!  :-)

Cheers,

Howard Winter

St.Albans, England

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