Post by thread:[PIC]: Optama C-Compiler tested

Hello Piclisters, some time ago i read a post from a list member wondering if the Optama Compiler is a new design or if it is probably a commercial version of the shareware c2c compiler. Meanwhile i had a closer look at it and therefore can state that the Optama C Compiler is absolutely not more and not less than the C2C plus Compiler version 4.007 from Pavel Baranov. (his own latest release) Both of them produce absolutely the same obj code from a given source. With 2 (3) differences: Optama comes complete with gpasm.exe and sasm.exe (which both are freeware) and it comes with a complete set of include files for all Pic4s. They are exactly the same ones that come free with MPLAB. (means they are copied out of the MPLAB package) And of course there is another difference: Optama is 8 times the price than the C2C shareware package was selled before. Btw. The c2c package is still available at Baranov4s homepage. At least at the moment. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spam_OUTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Germain Morbe wrote: > Hello Piclisters, > > some time ago i read a post from a list member wondering if the Optama > Compiler is a new design or if it is probably a commercial version of the > shareware c2c compiler. > > Meanwhile i had a closer look at it and therefore can state that the Optama > C Compiler is absolutely not more and not less than the C2C plus Compiler > version 4.007 from Pavel Baranov. (his own latest release) Both of them > produce absolutely the same obj code from a given source. > > With 2 (3) differences: Optama comes complete with gpasm.exe and sasm.exe > (which both are freeware) and it comes with a complete set of include files > for all Pic4s. They are exactly the same ones that come free with MPLAB. > (means they are copied out of the MPLAB package) gpasm is not Freeware! It's licensed under GPL. Are they distributing the source along with the executable? Scott -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList .....piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu

I spoke to someone at kanda today and they say the source is available Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dattalo" <scottKILLspamDATTALO.COM> To: <.....PICLISTKILLspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Optama C-Compiler tested > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Germain Morbe wrote: > > > Hello Piclisters, > > > > some time ago i read a post from a list member wondering if the Optama > > Compiler is a new design or if it is probably a commercial version of the > > shareware c2c compiler. > > > > Meanwhile i had a closer look at it and therefore can state that the Optama > > C Compiler is absolutely not more and not less than the C2C plus Compiler > > version 4.007 from Pavel Baranov. (his own latest release) Both of them > > produce absolutely the same obj code from a given source. > > > > With 2 (3) differences: Optama comes complete with gpasm.exe and sasm.exe > > (which both are freeware) and it comes with a complete set of include files {Quote hidden}> > for all Pic4s. They are exactly the same ones that come free with MPLAB. > > (means they are copied out of the MPLAB package) > > gpasm is not Freeware! > It's licensed under GPL. Are they distributing the source along with > the executable? > > > Scott > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>gpasm is not Freeware! >It's licensed under GPL. Are they distributing the source along with >the executable? > >Scott Thanks for the notice Scott, i didnt know that. nop - there isnt any source code included, just the binary gpasm.exe. It says to be derrivated from version 0.9.4. You can also find the gpasm.exe included with the DEMO wich is freely downloadable from http://www.kanda.com. Germain -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>gpasm is not Freeware! >It's licensed under GPL. Are they distributing the source along with >the executable? > >Scott Thanks for the notice Scott, i didnt know that. nop - there isnt any source code included, just the binary gpasm.exe. It says to be derrivated from version 0.9.4. You can also find the gpasm.exe included with the Optama DEMO wich is freely downloadable from http://www.kanda.com. Germain -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> nop - there isnt any source code included, just the binary gpasm.exe. > It says to be derrivated from version 0.9.4. > You can also find the gpasm.exe included with the Optama DEMO wich is freely > downloadable from http://www.kanda.com. If they modified it and then provide the excutable without a means to aquire the source that is a violation of the GPL. If they did not modify it they could propably just point to the place where they got the source. BTW gpasm is GPL, isn't it? Wouter van Ooijen van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wf/ Jal compiler for PIC microcontrollers: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wf/wouter/jal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

----- Original Message ----- From: "wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman" <wfspam_OUTXS4ALL.NL> To: <@spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Optama C-Compiler tested > > nop - there isnt any source code included, just the binary gpasm.exe. > > It says to be derrivated from version 0.9.4. > > You can also find the gpasm.exe included with the Optama DEMO wich is > freely > > downloadable from http://www.kanda.com. > > If they modified it and then provide the excutable without a means to aquire > the source that is a violation of the GPL. If they did not modify it they > could propably just point to the place where they got the source. BTW gpasm > is GPL, isn't it? > > Wouter van Ooijen > > van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wf/ > Jal compiler for PIC microcontrollers: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wf/wouter/jal > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads Like I said previously Kanda says that the source is available. I work at Kanda, well I work at home, and I emailed the developers in charge of the project and they say the source is freely available. There is an optama website in progress I think the plan is for this to contain updates and stuff. I can't say much more cause its not my project. I'm an ISP developer :) When I find more info I'll post to here to let people know. We are interested to hear peoples opinions of the compiler and any changes or enhancements that it may be in need of. Customer feedback is the only way we can discover this sort of stuff. We are very new to the compiler software market. Any posts I see that are relavent to the Optama compiler I'll pass onto the developers. I'm lurking on this list because I'm learning pic stuff in my spare time. I'm not spying for Kanda so feel free to have your say, I won't tell anyone. Looking at previous posts and the archive you aren't afraid to have your say. It makes a refreshing change... Bryan -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Hello PICLIST all, i am new to the list and to C programming language. In my test about the Optama C-compiler DEMO i came across a couple of bytes within the OPSXPICDEM.EXE looking like: ff 52 14 3d c8 00 00 00 or in english: call [edx+14] ; ? cmp eax,000000c8 ; 200 ?? jle 004a753d ; !? Since i am not familiar with assembly language - i programmed all my PIC project with Picstart Plus until yet - i cannot understand what the meaning of this lines might be. Is it eventually for 200 users max or something. Could any list member please explain for me. Thanx. Brain Lite ps. I also thaught about asking http://www.kanda.com , but i am afraid they probably wont tell me. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

> i am new to the list and to C programming language. > In my test about the Optama C-compiler DEMO i came across a couple of bytes > within the OPSXPICDEM.EXE looking like: > > ff 52 14 3d c8 00 00 00 or in english: > > call [edx+14] ; ? > cmp eax,000000c8 ; 200 ?? > jle 004a753d ; !? Something is very confused here. The disassembled instructions you show are not for a PIC. They are 80386 (or higher) instructions. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, KILLspamolinKILLspamembedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Olin Lathrop" <RemoveMEolin_piclistTakeThisOuTEMBEDINC.COM> To: <spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Optama C-Compiler tested {Quote hidden}> > i am new to the list and to C programming language. > > In my test about the Optama C-compiler DEMO i came across a couple of > bytes > > within the OPSXPICDEM.EXE looking like: > > > > ff 52 14 3d c8 00 00 00 or in english: > > > > call [edx+14] ; ? > > cmp eax,000000c8 ; 200 ?? > > jle 004a753d ; !? > > Something is very confused here. The disassembled instructions you show are > not for a PIC. They are 80386 (or higher) instructions. What we see here is an unsuccessful hack of the installshield installer file :) Bryan -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

on Friday, August 17, 2001 3:16 PM Bryan wrote > What we see here is an unsuccessful hack of the installshield installer > file :) If thats what the guys told you, seems they didnt had a hex editor handy. Or if they had, they probably didnt found the manual for it. :) ff 52 14 3d c8 00 00 00 ; poor demo.exe ff 52 14 3d ff ff 00 00 ; could also be less since there are no 64kb ; Pics available. Btw: Even success is relative. It will not make a hitech-c out of it. ;-) freenet.de, normal ist das nicht!