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'[PIC] Just a little remider about topic tags'
2019\07\21@233451 by Bob Blick

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Here's how topic tags work. When the piclist sees a valid topic tag in the subject line, that message is sent to people who subscribe to that tag. If it doesn't match any valid topic tag, it only goes to people who have said, "yeah give me everything, even spam"

What's a topic tag? It begins with a left square bracket. No left square bracket, no match. Curly bracket? No match. Parenthesis? No match.

After the square bracket should be one or more letters, that defines the topic. How many letters you actually need varies, but basically just enough so it's not ambiguous. [P is good enough to match [PIC], but [A isn't good enough because we have more than one A. Closing brackets are optional.

Which leads me to today's messages:

EE. matches nothing, that message only goes to the few that like spam with their meals.

Re: [CAUTION: matches nothing because we have no topic tags that have a C in them. But it could break any topic tags that follow! So it might make everything spam.

Luckily there are quite a few spam-eaters, so a thread can sustain itself.
But it won't necessarily thrive, which brings me to the point of this email..

When you subscribe to the list, there is a short little page of instructions that explains topic tags. You should have read it.

And for all you old-timers, at the bottom of every message is a link you can follow, just in case you want to learn it all over again. No need to do that now, as I have just given a refresher course.

Please forgive my tired, "Sunday-evening and tomorrow is REAL work" admin tone. I really love you all and don't mind it, I just want your messages to get to the right audience. Besides, I've seen this a hundred times before and was against topic tags from the beginning but got out-voted :)

Cheers, Bob
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2019\07\22@072158 by David Van Horn

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Bob, I suppose it's worth discussing, do they serve a purpose anymore?
I remember when I used to get about 1500 emails a day from here, now I'm lucky if I see 15.

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2019\07\22@155515 by Bob Blick

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Hi David,
I'm open for discussion.
Russell, what's your opinion?

Doing the changes to the software and web pages would be simple enough for me to do.

Bob

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Subject: RE: [PIC] Just a little remider about topic tags

Bob, I suppose it's worth discussing, do they serve a purpose anymore?
I remember when I used to get about 1500 emails a day from here, now I'm lucky if I see 15.

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2019\07\22@161456 by Neil

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On that note, should we open up to other processors?  IIRC there's been some ARM discussion on here in the past.
Yes, I know it's never been taboo, but perhaps we can announce and be more blatant about supporting/discussing it.
And yes there are other groups for other processors, but I like this group/format much better than Mchip's forum and ST's forum.  PS: I'm very much into STM32 processors lately.

Cheers,
-Neil.



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2019\07\22@162407 by Alexandre Guimaraes

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Just adding my 2 cents….. I would guess that these days most of us use at least one more processor other than PIC’s ! It would make sense for me. And I probably could contribute
a little instead of just lurking as I do nowadays.

Alex




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2019\07\22@172043 by Chris Roper

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Personally I like the tags.
I am not using them to filter as such, I filter on address, but seeing a
tag makes the post stand out in the inbox so I open them first.
Without the tag they will blend visually with the noise and get read when
and if  I have time to read each subject or, if the subject fails to catch
my attention, disappear into obscurity.

Chers
Chris


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2019\07\23@004652 by Bob Blick

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Chris,
Our software can prepend some text to the subject line of messages, that might serve to help them stand out as coming from the piclist. Friendly regards, Bob

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Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [PIC] Just a little remider about topic tags

Personally I like the tags.
I am not using them to filter as such, I filter on address, but seeing a
tag makes the post stand out in the inbox so I open them first.
Without the tag they will blend visually with the noise and get read when
and if  I have time to read each subject or, if the subject fails to catch
my attention, disappear into obscurity.

Chers
Chris


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2019\07\23@020136 by DrSkip

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I like the tags too, for the same reason PLUS, I also do automated  sort
by those tags (PIC folder, EE folder, etc). I've grown to like them... ;)

I would actually find more granularity in naming useful - or perhaps an
optional sub-tag. PIC would be the general microcontroller tag and the
sub tag would be the architecture and/or hardware/software as sub tag.
EE sub tags would be the general area involved (since we all pretty much
speak EE), and so on. The second tag wouldn't be so strictly enforced,
and be "the one word that best describes the subject area involved".

Then the rest of the subject line can be creative marketing for
attention... ;)

Just my 2 cents.

Dr Skip


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2019\07\23@045711 by AB Pearce - UKRI STFC

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> I like the tags too, for the same reason PLUS, I also do automated  sort by those tags (PIC folder, EE folder, etc). I've grown to like them... ;)

Me too. It helps 'prioritise' what is read first, and helps when going back to look for something remembered. Please don't drop the tags.



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2019\07\23@052248 by RussellMc

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> Russell, what's your opinion?

I don't recall there ever not being tags - but that may perhaps say more
about my memory than about reality :-).
I do remember tags being slightly extended 'some while ago'.

I like them, but as has been noted, they are not so needed for traffic
reasons as they once were.

One valuable area is [OT] as it allows people to have some expectation of
OTw content - which some really wish to stay away from. Or, did, way back.

The general opinion in the responses (margin of error ~~= 100/sqrt(8)% *
~= +/-  35%) seems to be that they are wanted.


               Russell


* This assumes a normally distributed population - a suspect assumption
when engineers are involved.

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2019\07\23@073256 by David Van Horn

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I like that idea.  It feels like the once mighty piclist is fading away.  There's still PLENTY more out there.
I'm looking into ARM and other processors, since the bang for the buck is definitely there.
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2019\07\23@201941 by Trevor

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DrSkip wrote on 23/07/2019 16:01:
> I like the tags too, for the same reason PLUS, I also do automated  sort
> by those tags (PIC folder, EE folder, etc). I've grown to like them... ;)

Me too.


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2019\07\24@065319 by Neil

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Me three


On 7/24/2019 2:53 AM, Trevor wrote:
> DrSkip wrote on 23/07/2019 16:01:
>> I like the tags too, for the same reason PLUS, I also do automated  sort
>> by those tags (PIC folder, EE folder, etc). I've grown to like them... ;)
> Me too.
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