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'NT4.0 and PROMATE II'
1997\08\06@143339 by jhobbs

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 Just thought I would post some findings using the Pro Mate II and NT4.0.  

If you have not moved to NT4.0 and are considering the big step, well I found it to be pretty much flawless. Everything installed easily and some things installed and configured easier then with 95.

 Everything I have works except MPLAB.  I did talk to tech. support at uchip and was told that they are working on NT4.0 drivers for MPLAB. Should have used API!

As a side note to those with Tech-Tools Clearview (PIC Emulator) their TDE software works under NT4.0.  The only problem I have found is if you rename your src and then try to compile, TDE reports 'file not found'.  The work around is to close TDE and open TDE again and load your src file.  Fortunately TDE loads quickly and this is not as bad as it may sound.  Also I placed tde.ini in the tde folder.

MPLAB SOFTWARE, HELP/ABOUT> MPLAB Version 3.22.02 and Pro Mate II Version 4.00.04 

PRO MATE II, DISPLAY>                    Version 4.00.07

Serial communication is a no go!  The error is, commands are not echoed properly.  If you try to 'Enable Programmer' you most likely will lock up the MPLAB application and will have to do a three finger salute (CTRL-ALT-DEL) and End-Task.

The work around is to run Promate. Yes, the Dos stuff.  

Pro Mate Version 3.21.17

Firmware Version 4.00.07

Device File Version    2.00.06

Don't worry about changing the Pro Mate's firmware.  When you run Promate it will come up with a screen saying 'Old Version of Device File' just click OK.  On some parts like the '73 you will get a screen saying 'Not enough memory to display file' just click OK.  Now you are ready to load your code and program a PIC with Pro Mate II under NT 4.0.

I hope this helps someone out there.

 

Take care  -Jim Hobbs

 

'NT 4.0 and Promate II'
1997\08\06@165200 by jhobbs

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Opps, I am resending this as I think the first time it went HTML.

Just thought I would post some findings using the Pro Mate II and NT4.0.

If you have not moved to NT4.0 and are considering the big step, well I
found it to be pretty much flawless. Everything installed easily and some
things installed and configured easier then with 95.

Everything I have works except MPLAB.  I did talk to tech. support at uchip
and was told that they are working on NT4.0 drivers for MPLAB. Should have
used API!

As a side note to those with Tech-Tools Clearview (PIC Emulator) their TDE
software works under NT4.0.  The only problem I have found is if you rename
your src and then try to compile, TDE reports 'file not found'.  The work
around is to close TDE and open TDE again and load your src file.
Fortunately TDE loads quickly and this is not as bad as it may sound.  Also
I placed tde.ini in the tde folder.

MPLAB SOFTWARE, HELP/ABOUT> MPLAB Version 3.22.02 and Pro Mate II Version
4.00.04

PRO MATE II, DISPLAY>                    Version 4.00.07

Serial communication is a no go!  The error is, commands are not echoed
properly.  If you try to 'Enable Programmer' you most likely will lock up
the MPLAB application and will have to do a three finger salute
(CTRL-ALT-DEL) and End-Task.

The work around is to run Promate. Yes, the Dos stuff.

Pro Mate Version 3.21.17

Firmware Version 4.00.07

Device File Version    2.00.06

Don't worry about changing the Pro Mate's firmware.  When you run Promate it
will come up with a screen saying 'Old Version of Device File' just click
OK.  On some parts like the '73 you will get a screen saying 'Not enough
memory to display file' just click OK.  Now you are ready to load your code
and program a PIC with Pro Mate II under NT 4.0.

I hope this helps someone out there.



Take care  -Jim Hobbs


'Help with Promate II module'
1998\07\04@011159 by Arudzki
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Is there someone out there with a Promate II module for the 5X family
that could flip it over and ohm out a wiring list for me?

I'm looking for basically   J6 pin 1  >>> DIP pin 3
                           J6 pin 2  >>> DIP pin 8
                           J7 pin 17 >>> DIP pin 22
                               etc....
I'm looking to make a gadget and I have the modules for the 18 pin, 40
pin, and 44 pin PLCC, but they only use the standard serial programming
pins, and the 5X family uses something like 14.

Any help would be appreciated

Tony

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'Question on Promate II programmer'
1998\07\07@104520 by Lewis H. Cobb

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Hi - I am looking at the promate programmer and have the following
questions that someone perhaps can set me straight on -

1) Is this the only programmer that should be used for "production"
programming
  of OTP, and flash PIC devices?  i.e. I will be doing batches of 100-250
at a
  time and they may be both the OTP and flash devices.

2) What do you get when you order the promate as far as sockets go - it looks
  like the answer is "nothing" and you have to order a $$$ adapter for
even the
  most boring of parts such as dips...is this the case?

3) Is it possible to conjur up a special adapter that can be used for example
  to load complete circuit board assemblies into for ICP purposes, and if so,
  is there sufficient documentattion to create a matching "adapter" unit
that is
  part of the special jig that I will build  - or are there "weird" pins
on the promate that cause great pain if one tries to build their own
special jig?


Thanks for any assistance people can provide.

Lewis

1998\07\07@133052 by William Chops Westfield

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   Is [the promate] the only programmer that should be used for
   "production" programming of OTP, and flash PIC devices?  i.e. I will be
   doing batches of 100-250 at a time and they may be both the OTP and
   flash devices.

Certainly not.  There are any number of third party "general purpose"
programmers that will do full "production level" programming of PICs (and
many other devices), including gang programmers capable of programming
8+ devices at a time...

BillW

1998\07\07@234548 by Jim robertson

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At 10:27 7/07/98 PDT, you wrote:
>    Is [the promate] the only programmer that should be used for
>    "production" programming of OTP, and flash PIC devices?  i.e. I will be
>    doing batches of 100-250 at a time and they may be both the OTP and
>    flash devices.
>
>Certainly not.  There are any number of third party "general purpose"
>programmers that will do full "production level" programming of PICs (and
>many other devices), including gang programmers capable of programming
>8+ devices at a time...
>
>BillW

Yes that is correct.

But keep in mind what you are getting for you money.  A production standard
programmer gives you better "certification" of your programmed part over a
development standard programmer.  There is nothing about the production
standard spec that will actually program your pic any better though.

In fact once you take them out of the programming socket there is no way to
measure which has had the production standard programming. (Really it
should be called production standard verify because that is what it is.)

It is even possible that a good development programmer actually programs
your pics better than a production programmer. It is likely that that is
the case occasionally.

The point is though, that you don't know _when_ that is the case.

The purpose of production standard programming is so you get to know
everytime rather than take a (very slight) gamble.

I'll leave it at that.

Jim

1998\07\08@004901 by tjaart

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Jim robertson wrote:

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We had this before we built our own. We changed the bed of nails cabling,and staterd getting
problems with the Promate. If we used a PP+ on the
same cable, it worked. I think it may have been an earth loop problem.

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'PIC74 / Basic Compiler / promate II'
1999\07\19@085104 by fernteix
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Hey

I had in the past some experience in assembler of the Pic54.
Now I try to do a simple program to control a relay scanner  with the
PIC16C74B JW for the test (and the 64 to use in circuit).
The outputs are remote controled by 6 bits of portA or by local buttons 3
bits of PORTE.

I use the  Promate II MPLAB 4.0 and Basic pro compiler 2.2 .

I note that the outputs work, but inputs not.
I use ADCON1 = 7 to start with digital inputs.
In a watch window I see that the definitions of inputs are not respected. I
correct but when I transfer to the chip the code is perhaps not corrected ?

PortA can be used as a 6 bit input port? Any problem with A4 ?
I think this is a very basic mistake but cannot find it!

I would need any help.

Fernando Teixeira

1999\07\20@034210 by root

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Hi,

I do not understand exactly your problem. You wrote

On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, fernteix wrote:

> The outputs are remote controled by 6 bits of portA or by local buttons 3
> bits of PORTE.

and latter
>
> PortA can be used as a 6 bit input port? Any problem with A4 ?

Is not a contradiction here?

Imre

1999\07\20@035040 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Hi,
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> I do not understand exactly your problem. You wrote
>
> On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, fernteix wrote:
>
> > The outputs are remote controled by 6 bits of portA or by local buttons
> 3
> > bits of PORTE.
>
> and latter
> >
> > PortA can be used as a 6 bit input port? Any problem with A4 ?
>
> Is not a contradiction here?
>
> Imre
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>
I think what he is saying is that Port A is used as inputs from remote
switches etc, whereas Port E is used as inputs from local switches.

There should be no problem with using A4 as an input.  The only problem this
particular pin causes is when using it as an output trying to source
current.

Regards

Mike Rigby-Jones

1999\07\20@064449 by fernteix

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Hi,

The PortA should be an 6 bit input controlled by a printer port.
If A4 would be  an exception I could only use A0,A1,A2,A3 as a block to
define 16 adresses.

The Microchip table of ADCON1 register if we select PCFG2:PCFG0 = 11x we
have :
RA0, RA1,RA2,RA5,RA3,VREF.
I misunderstood that RA4 has nothing to do with AD.

I try to use E0,E1,E2 as individual input switches for control .

I think after 1 week of atempts I have nearly solved the question: I
discovered that after  writing ADCON1 = 7 a watch window shows 0, and I need
to use Modify and before saving, program the chip. When I save, will ADCON1
= 0 again...

Thanks for your help

Fernando Teixeira

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'WANTED: Promate II'
2000\05\24@135239 by Anthony Clay
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Does anyone have a promate II to sell for a good price?  Make an offer to EraseMEzarthragspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTintcon.net

Anthony

2000\05\24@190444 by John Orhan

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Hi Anthony,

I have a PROMATE II system for sale with one 40 pin socket, power
supply,cable,etc included. The lot going for $800.00Australian

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'[PIC] Anybody got a ProMate II for sale?'
2000\06\08@132601 by John A. Craft
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'[PIC]: Promate II configuration fuses, question o'
2000\08\22@143648 by tcrist
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I've been programming 16C715's with my Promate II, and recently the issue of
parity came up.  I could not answer what exactly it is that the Parity fuse
does on the Promate configuration window.  I consulted the online help -
what was I thinking? Then the x71x manual all to no avail.  Can anyone
enlighten me?

Thanks,

Tim Crist
Tritronics

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'[PICLIST] Promate II problems'
2000\08\22@220235 by Scott Beatty

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Hello

       I am using a Promate II programmer and have recently run into
problems with it.  It seems that my computer can nolonger transmit to
the programmer.  I tried to program some HCS200's and could not so I
attempted to download MPLAB's latest firmware for the programmer and
could not even download the firmware to it.  I checked the ports line in
the device manager and it is fine and the com 1 port (the port I am
using) and every thing is set correctly.  I am using the correct serial
port driver as well.  I recently built this computer and I am running
Windows 98 with MPLAB 5.11.02.  I have used this Promate II on it before
but not since the "I Love You" virus came through the piclist.  I had
clicked on the attachment without realizing what it was but did not let
it download completely and then I ran Norton Antivirus which turned up
no viruses.  If some part of the virus is on my system could it effect
the operation of my serial port or Promate II ?  Also, what might some
of the other symptoms of this virus be?

Thanks
Scott

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2000\08\23@052327 by Ian Rozowsky

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As regards downloading of firmware to the Promate II, I had this problem in
the past, and solved it by downloading using the DOS command interface
rather than MPLAB.

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'[PICLIST] promate II and 16F873 ISP problems.'
2000\09\19@160112 by robert hodkinson
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Hi all,

We have a problem at work and it is killing us.

For manufacturing reasons we upgraded the version of MPLab and firmware for
the ProMateII so that we could program 16F872s.  After we upgraded we found
that the ISP programming of 16F873s now refuses to work.

Everything proceeds as normal until the ProMate starts to blank the Flash
memory, at this point it appears to freeze with the message "Blanking xxxx"
(where the xxxx is another work I can't remember off the top of my head).
If you pull off the programming header, it continues as normal, but fails
the validation (as it should).

Has anyone else come across this problem.

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2000\09\19@163307 by John Gerthoffer

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We have had our problems with ISP, but not with a Promate II.

We have been doing F873, F876 ISP with a PicStart Plus.  The problem we had
was related to improper isolation of the data and clock signals.  The
firmware of the PicStart would plow through the whole thing and fail on
Verification.

Also, occasionally, a PIC would get into a funk and could no longer be
programmed ISP.  (We desoldered them...)

I'm not sure this helps, but I am feeling rather convivial today.


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'[PIC]: Brand new Promate II'
2001\03\14@152345 by David VanHorn
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Does anyone know any "magic tricks" to get the Promate II to start working
reliably?

I was doing ICSP with the Picstart, which was a little flakey, but then
again, it's not really supported that way..
So, now I have this brand new Promate II, with ISCP module.
My troubles are over, right?

Wrong.

Mostly, it insists that devices are code protected, but sometimes it will
program them.
Then it locks up in "erasing now".

I've loosened/tightened the screws on the module, cleaned both sides of the
zebra strips, and the contacts they hit.

I've double-checked my cable, and called the factory guys and run it past them.

There's nothing on the target attached to the programming pins, other than
a 100k pullup on /MCLR.

Yes, I am programming with the target's power supply off, and no I'm not
getting VPP or VCC overcurrent LEDs.

I've had probably four succesful program cycles out of 50+ attempts, on
three different target systems (16F627)

As high-dollar programmer experiences go, I'm underwhelmed.

I'm ready to go back to my AVRs, and the 6-wire-off-paralell-port
programmer that's never failed me yet.


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2001\03\14@153006 by Mark Bishop

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Do you have the secondary line voltage plugged into the module?

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Does anyone know any "magic tricks" to get the Promate II to start working
reliably?

I was doing ICSP with the Picstart, which was a little flakey, but then
again, it's not really supported that way..
So, now I have this brand new Promate II, with ISCP module.
My troubles are over, right?

Wrong.

Mostly, it insists that devices are code protected, but sometimes it will
program them.
Then it locks up in "erasing now".

I've loosened/tightened the screws on the module, cleaned both sides of the
zebra strips, and the contacts they hit.

I've double-checked my cable, and called the factory guys and run it past
them.

There's nothing on the target attached to the programming pins, other than
a 100k pullup on /MCLR.

Yes, I am programming with the target's power supply off, and no I'm not
getting VPP or VCC overcurrent LEDs.

I've had probably four succesful program cycles out of 50+ attempts, on
three different target systems (16F627)

As high-dollar programmer experiences go, I'm underwhelmed.

I'm ready to go back to my AVRs, and the 6-wire-off-paralell-port
programmer that's never failed me yet.


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2001\03\14@155253 by David VanHorn

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At 03:29 PM 3/14/01 -0500, Mark Bishop wrote:
>Do you have the secondary line voltage plugged into the module?

Yes.
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2001\03\14@161142 by D. Schouten

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I've experienced similar problems too with my 6 months old Promate II,
however not as bad as you do Dave. My problems are related to about 1%
of failures when programming 16C73B PIC's. These failures are coming
with the message 'device code protected' while they're brand new
PIC's. My good old PICstart programmer never had problems like that.
I also do ICSP with the Promate II using a selfmade (just hardwired
from a 40pins DIP socket) adapter. The PIC (16C73B/SO) I'm
in-circuit-programming is totally isolated from the electronics on my
board. Here the same story, about 1% failures. Only now the Promate
message with failed devices is 'mem failure'. I have to desolder the
PIC in this case which is not my hobby. I guess it's time for flash
devices....

Daniel...

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2001\03\14@170957 by Andrew Warren

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David VanHorn <PICLISTEraseMEspam.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU> wrote:

> Does anyone know any "magic tricks" to get the Promate II to start
> working reliably?
> ....
> Mostly, it insists that devices are code protected, but sometimes it
> will program them. Then it locks up in "erasing now".
>
> I've loosened/tightened the screws on the module, cleaned both sides
> of the zebra strips, and the contacts they hit.

   Keep trying.  EVERY ONE of the problems I've had with my ProMates
   has eventually been fixed by loosening/realigning/tightening the
   socket modules.

   I don't think the screws are supposed to be tightened more than
   just barely finger-tight; if you've really cranked down on them,
   the strips may be deformed and not making good contact. Still,
   realignment might be all that's necessary.

   Good luck...

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2001\03\15@155443 by Mike Mansheim

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> Does anyone know any "magic tricks" to get the Promate II to start
> working reliably?

We use Promate II's for in-circuit programming a lot.  They work very
well most of the time, but we have had to fight through some problems
that sound similar.  So, here's some general thoughts:

- first of all, we don't even use the ICSP module.  We just use the zif
 socket adaptor (AC164012 in our case), and a homemade cable to the
 target board.  During one of the times we were having problems, it was
 decided that the "official" ICSP module was the cure, so we bought one.
 Never did get it to work reliably, and didn't have time to figure out
 why.  So it now lies in a heap in a corner somewhere.  Knowing what we
 learned since, it should probably be looked at again.
- unless you've isolated it somehow, the promate has to supply the 5V
 requirement for the whole board, not just the pic.  We've run into
 problems with target boards with heavier 5V supply requirements.
- related to that, the promate uses a Raychem polyswitch (or similar)
 type of device for current/temp protection that is too conservative in
 our opinion (downstream of the 78xxx regulator).  So we've bypassed it
 on all of our promates.
- I don't know if this applies to your target chip, but we use the F87x
 and find that we have to ground RB3 when in-circuit programming a chip
 that hasn't ever been programmed.  This whole subject has been dicussed
 extensively on the piclist - I can attest that the problem is real.
- a false code protect error is what the promate will give if you try
 programming with nothing attached.  Nearly every time we get a code
 protect error, it is because of a connection problem.  For example, we
 use 8 pin phone jacks for the board interface, and have had problems
 with conformal coating getting in where it doesn't belong and
 interfering with the spring loaded pins.  Also once saw the RB6 pin
 lifted on a surface mount device.  Incidentally, if the device is truly
 code protected, the promate will allow you to go ahead and program
 anyway.
- verify your target board design - we also discovered that we were
 designing our target boards incorrectly.  We were only putting a diode
 between /MCLR and Vdd to  isolate the 5V supply from Vpp.  However, the
 promate (any programmer, actually) needs to hold /MCLR low to reset the
 chip.  Without a resistor in addition to the diode, this shorts the 5V
 supply.  Amazingly, the promate still managed to program these boards.
 Watching the process on a scope showed that the 5V supply drooped
 dramatically, which must have been low enough to get the pic reset -
 seems a nasty  way to treat the promate though!

The two most important things for us were bypassing the promate's internal
protection and paying attention to RB3.

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2001\03\15@161123 by David VanHorn

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>- first of all, we don't even use the ICSP module.  We just use the zif
>   socket adaptor (AC164012 in our case), and a homemade cable to the
>   target board.  During one of the times we were having problems, it was
>   decided that the "official" ICSP module was the cure, so we bought one.
>   Never did get it to work reliably, and didn't have time to figure out
>   why.  So it now lies in a heap in a corner somewhere.  Knowing what we
>   learned since, it should probably be looked at again.


That's a cheerful thought.
These protos are SMD, and MUST be programmed in-system.


>- unless you've isolated it somehow, the promate has to supply the 5V
>   requirement for the whole board, not just the pic.  We've run into
>   problems with target boards with heavier 5V supply requirements.

Not a problem here the whole target only draws 3mA, and most of that is the
pic.


>- related to that, the promate uses a Raychem polyswitch (or similar)
>   type of device for current/temp protection that is too conservative in
>   our opinion (downstream of the 78xxx regulator).  So we've bypassed it
>   on all of our promates.

I don't think they're going to run it tight enough to kill me.


>- I don't know if this applies to your target chip, but we use the F87x
>   and find that we have to ground RB3 when in-circuit programming a chip
>   that hasn't ever been programmed.  This whole subject has been dicussed
>   extensively on the piclist - I can attest that the problem is real.

I've hit this too, but these chips have been programmed previously.
I've gotten a few successes, and way more failures, which tells me it's in
the programming system, not the target.

>- a false code protect error is what the promate will give if you try
>   programming with nothing attached.  Nearly every time we get a code
>   protect error, it is because of a connection problem.  For example, we
>   use 8 pin phone jacks for the board interface, and have had problems
>   with conformal coating getting in where it doesn't belong and
>   interfering with the spring loaded pins.  Also once saw the RB6 pin
>   lifted on a surface mount device.  Incidentally, if the device is truly
>   code protected, the promate will allow you to go ahead and program
>   anyway.

Not likely, a problem here..
I AM however, seeing RB7 only achieving 1V during programming. Not sure
who's causing that.


>- verify your target board design - we also discovered that we were
>   designing our target boards incorrectly.  We were only putting a diode
>   between /MCLR and Vdd to  isolate the 5V supply from Vpp.  However, the
>   promate (any programmer, actually) needs to hold /MCLR low to reset the
>   chip.  Without a resistor in addition to the diode, this shorts the 5V
>   supply.  Amazingly, the promate still managed to program these boards.
>   Watching the process on a scope showed that the 5V supply drooped
>   dramatically, which must have been low enough to get the pic reset -
>   seems a nasty  way to treat the promate though!

10k resistor here, they BETTER be able to drive that.



>The two most important things for us were bypassing the promate's internal
>protection and paying attention to RB3.

Hmmm.



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'[PIC]: Promate II problem resolved'
2001\03\19@142153 by David VanHorn

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Turned out to be the promate firmware.

The versions prior to friday's release will apparently not program F627's
in circuit.
Mchip told me the new firmware wouldn't make a difference, but I went from
2 1/2 broken systems to 2 working systems, just on that upgrade.
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'[PIC]: Promate II adapters'
2001\07\31@010324 by Rob Symmans
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Guys our production group have just purchased a Promate II programmer, we
purchased just one device adapter (the AC164012) to suit the DIP F877
devices. We were planning on using an inhouse made PLCC adapter for the
'F877s & 'F874s that we use currently on our Picstart +. It just has the 5
or so programming pins connected.

We were also hoping to use the same adapter to program some 16F84s.

We have tried programming some 'F874s in our adapter (plugged into
microchips dip adapter) with no success - the error message is "Code
Partially Protected".

We are not currently setting the code protection bit.

Has anyone any similar experience who may have some ideas on what may be
causing our problems.

best regard
Rob
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2001\07\31@111609 by Mike Mansheim

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> We have tried programming some 'F874s in our adapter (plugged into
> microchips dip adapter) with no success - the error message is "Code
> Partially Protected".

- I learned from this list a while back that RB3 needs to be grounded
 when programming the F87x's via ICSP.  However, I've never had a
 problem programming the dip's directly in the AC164012 adapter.
 Perhaps the extra adapter you are using is enough of a difference
 that you will need to ground RB3 in this setup also.  Can't hurt to
 try.
- I've never gotten a "partially" protected error, but have gotten
 false "device code protected" errors.  It is almost always because
 of a bad connection somewhere - typically RB6 or RB7 are not
 actually connected.  As an illustration, if you do a chip read with
 the promate with nothing actually in the socket, the error you will
 get is a code protect error.

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'[PIC]: Promate II adapters'
2001\08\02@134815 by Andre Abelian
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Rob,

microchip makes ICSP adaptor for promate 2 I do not
remember the part number but I use it all the time.
It has dip switches under nit to choose your processor.
it also has start button too after hex file loaded just
press the button it will program. I paid $350 for it
excellent unit. You can use what you made with it should
work fine.

Andre




Guys our production group have just purchased a Promate II programmer, we
purchased just one device adapter (the AC164012) to suit the DIP F877
devices. We were planning on using an inhouse made PLCC adapter for the
'F877s & 'F874s that we use currently on our Picstart +. It just has the 5
or so programming pins connected.

We were also hoping to use the same adapter to program some 16F84s.

We have tried programming some 'F874s in our adapter (plugged into
microchips dip adapter) with no success - the error message is "Code
Partially Protected".

We are not currently setting the code protection bit.

Has anyone any similar experience who may have some ideas on what may be
causing our problems.

best regard
Rob
Perth WA

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'[PICLIST] Promate II'
2001\10\03@130219 by Kevin Blain
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I've been playing with my promate II programmer, and having some problems
doing ICSP.

I have an adaptor which converts my 15way High density D plug to the 6 way
modular, like on the in circuit debugger, and I can then connect the ICD
header board using a DIL to 6 way header to my target board, for either in
circuit debugging or promate programming.

However when I make a direct 15way High density D to 6 pin header lead, the
thing reports "Error during programming, Vdd won't rise"

Surely this cannot be due to the resistor or the diode or the capacitor on
the ICD header board?

Anybody got any ideas?


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2001\10\04@074128 by Kevin Blain

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<repost with pic tag>

I've been playing with my promate II programmer, and having some problems
doing ICSP.

I have an adaptor which converts my 15way High density D plug to the 6 way
modular, like on the in circuit debugger, and I can then connect the ICD
header board using a DIL to 6 way header to my target board, for either in
circuit debugging or promate programming.

However when I make a direct 15way High density D to 6 pin header lead, the
thing reports "Error during programming, Vdd won't rise"

Surely this cannot be due to the resistor or the diode or the capacitor on
the ICD header board?

Anybody got any ideas?


Regards, Kevin

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'[EE]: promate II on com2'
2001\12\19@010904 by engelec
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Hi to all,

My promate 2 doesn't communicate with com2 it says
" A device other then PROMATE 2 found on com2 "
it works fine with com1. how can I find out what device is used ? on com
2.

Andre

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'[AD]: PICMaster & Promate II Socket on Ebay'
2002\02\07@155301 by Brett Fraser
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Two items some members might be interested in

cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1702140295
PICMaster CE with 3 Probes

cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1702132988
Promate II socket for PIC17Cxx

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'[PIC:] Promate III wiring for ICSP ?'
2004\09\23@182603 by Barry Gershenfeld
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A thousand dollars for a programmer that seems to be able to do everything
my ICD2 can...and not even a manual.  There is an electronic manual (which
is actually good) but what's driving me crazy is trying to hook the poor
thing up to our board's PIC programming port.  

We ICD'ers are used to the following ritual:

1. MCLR
2. Vdd
3. Gnd
4. RB7
5. RB6
6. (RB3)

There is no apparent equivalent listing...Here is what we are told about the
Promate III:

1.  CLK
2.  PASS
3.  DATA
4.  FAIL
5.  LVP/Clock
6.  GO
7.  V PP
8.  V PP
9.  VDD
10.  Test
11.  VDD
12.  +5V
13.  GND
14.  GND

I've discovered that Go, Pass, and Fail are "features", decided that VDD is
probably preferred over +5, etc.  But where is MCLR??
Might be "VPP" but do I feel lucky?  I'd rather build my cable only once,
and not fry too many of the boss' parts before getting it working.

If anyone can shed some light...thanks

Barry

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2004\09\24@032802 by hael Rigby-Jones

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The difference is that you have the pin names in the ICD list, and the pin
functions in the Promate list.

MCLR = Vpp (programming voltage)
Vdd =  Vdd (obviously)
Gnd = Gnd  (obviously)
RB7 = Data (program data)
RB6 =  Clock (program clock)
RB3 = LVP  (equivalent of MCLR for low voltage programming)

Regards

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2004\09\24@155756 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>>trying to hook the poor thing up to our
>>board's PIC programming port.  

>The difference is that you have the pin names in the ICD list, and the pin
>functions in the Promate list.
>
>MCLR = Vpp (programming voltage)
>Vdd =  Vdd (obviously)
>Gnd = Gnd  (obviously)
>RB7 = Data (program data)
>RB6 =  Clock (program clock)
>RB3 = LVP  (equivalent of MCLR for low voltage programming)
>
>Mike
>

Thanks.  That agrees with my guesses, but I wanted to hear it
from someone who had actually done it.  Seems that ICSP does not
completely equal ICD, only in certain circumstances.

Barry

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'[PIC] Promate III experience'
2005\08\22@023800 by Chen Xiao Fan
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I just get the Promate III from our testing department.
It is lying in there for quite some time so I exchange
our Promate II (+ 2xICSP adapter + some other adapters)
with them for this Promate III. :)

I noticed that the first download of OS and device Database
is quite long. Other than that, the setup is quite easy.
I only need to call up our system administrator to input
the admin password and the process is quite smooth.

Can somebody share experience with this Promate III,
especially with regard to ICSP? Are there any program
support it under Linux as well? I think the answer is no
but I am just not so sure.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\08\22@045527 by Chen Xiao Fan

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Oh my God, switching off the Promate III will automatic reset
my PC as well. That is really "Good" experience. :( Luckily
our testing department has not used it for the production
IAT (in array testing) and ICSP. I need to sort out this.

Any similar experience?
PC: Pentium III 1G, USB 1.1 (Intel 815), Windows XP SP1
Promate III firmware: from MPLAB Version 7.1

Regards,
Xiaofan

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2005\08\22@080603 by olin piclist

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Chen Xiao Fan wrote:
> Can somebody share experience with this Promate III,
> especially with regard to ICSP?

Gee, I wouldn't know.  At over 3 times the price of my ProProg
(http://www.embedinc.com/products), I don't find much use for a PM3.  It
does however support all PICs whereas the ProProg supported PIC list is
still catching up.


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2005\08\23@000754 by Chen Xiao Fan

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Okay I can not repeat the reset. I guess it is my Dell PC problem.
It is quite nice programmer but it is not cheap. :) Anyway
our ICE2000 is more expensive and lying there for about 3 years
already (do not want to invest on the processor modules any
more and ICD2 is quite capable anyway).

Regards,
Xiaofan

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2005\08\23@011431 by Chen Xiao Fan

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I did recommend your ProProg to my manager last year. However
it is too bad that ProProg does not support our target chip
like 16C621A/622A and we already had the Promate II+ICSP.
Anyway, the policy is now to go for off-line programming. So
there is no more ICSP stuff to worry about now. The off-line
programmer (IO-DATA gang programmer) is very expensive and
the cost of every single adapter is about the same as a ProProg.
Still the production team like it much more than ICSP.

The other problem is that normally medium or large companies
have quite rigid purchasing policy. For example, does EMBEDINC
have ISO9000 qualification? A lot of the companies will require
that.

Regards,
Xiaofan

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'[PIC] Wanted - Promate II modules'
2007\07\09@115140 by Picbits Sales
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Just on the offchance that anyone has any of these knocking about and no longer need them.

I've got some 18 pin SOIC/DIP modules but could do with anything 28 pin or 40 pin either in DIP or SOIC.

I have a few pennies (or cents) in my Paypal account so let me know if you've got anything going spare.

I'm based in the UK but as they are quite light should be ok to post to me from "overseas".

Many thanks
Dom


'[PIC] Wanted - Promate II programming modules'
2008\06\10@052934 by Picbits Sales
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Trying to keep the good old ProMate II in action but at the moment I'm limiting my new designs to chips it can actually support with the modules I've got (18 pin dip/soic).

I don't suppose anyone has retired their PM II and have any spare modules going for a reasonable rate ? Ideally I'd like to be able to program the 40 pin and 28 pin devices (SOIC and PDIP on the 28 pin).

I know that for the price of a new single module I could upgrade to the ICD2 but it seems a shame to waste a perfectly good PM II.

Thanks
Dom

2008\06\10@054630 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 6/10/08, Picbits Sales <RemoveMEsalesKILLspamspampicbits.co.uk> wrote:

> I know that for the price of a new single module I could
> upgrade to the ICD2 but it seems a shame to waste a perfectly good PM II.

Maybe you can buy the ICSP module for Promate II and it
will solve your porblems.

Xiaofan

2008\06\10@062053 by Picbits Sales

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I could but at over $420 for the module it puts it a little out of my reach
at the moment (I'm in the UK). Having just spent $120 filling my modest car
up with fuel (>$10 gallon now) and finding out that out electricity/gas
prices have almost doubled in just over a year I'm trying to cut back on my
spending just so I can live .........

Dom
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2008\06\10@072116 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Picbits Sales <salesSTOPspamspamspam_OUTpicbits.co.uk> wrote:
> I could but at over $420 for the module it puts it a little out of my reach
> at the moment (I'm in the UK). Having just spent $120 filling my modest car
> up with fuel (>$10 gallon now) and finding out that out electricity/gas
> prices have almost doubled in just over a year I'm trying to cut back on my
> spending just so I can live .........

In that case, forget about the Promate II and buy the US$35
PICkit 2 so that you can buy more petrol. ;-)

Xiaofan

2008\06\10@075814 by Picbits Sales

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Might well have to consider getting one when I place my next order with
Microchip - makes the shipping and handling charge more bearable.

Dom

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2008\06\10@082550 by olin piclist

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Picbits Sales wrote:
> I know that for the price of a new single module I could upgrade to
> the ICD2 but it seems a shame to waste a perfectly good PM II.

Or my USBProg (http://www.embedinc.com/products/usbprog) at about half the
price of a ICD2.  It comes with a command line interface, so it can be fully
scripted.

I understand the feeling of not wanting to "waste" the PM II.  But all money
already spent is water under the bridge.  Look at where you are now, then
look for the most effective way to get where you want to be.


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2008\06\10@091812 by fred jones

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Bob Blick wrote: > Olin is a busy man who is educated, intelligent, and fully employed. He> does not market the piclist with his products or troll for customers. He> doesn't help people in order to stroke his ego. He helps because he is a> generous person.
Oh Pulleeezz...He is here for customers...over and over again:> From: spamBeGoneolin_piclistSTOPspamspamEraseMEembedinc.com> To: KILLspampiclistspamBeGonespammit.edu> Subject: Re: [PIC] Wanted - Promate II programming modules> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:27:58 -0400> > Picbits Sales wrote:> > I know that for the price of a new single module I could upgrade to> > the ICD2 but it seems a shame to waste a perfectly good PM II.> > Or my USBProg (http://www.embedinc.com/products/usbprog) at about half the> price of a ICD2. It comes with a command line interface, so it can be fully> scripted.> > I understand the feeling of not wanting to "waste" the PM II. But all money> already spent is water under the bridge. Look at where you are now, then> look for the most effective way to get where you want to be.> > > ********************************************************************> Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products> (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000.>

'[OT] RE: Wanted - Promate II programming modules'
2008\06\10@093657 by Hazelwood Lyle

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I understand that we all have strong feelings on the subject of Olin, but I respectfully request that we keep it under some thread other than [PIC].

Thank You,
Lyle Hazelwood

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2008\06\10@100614 by Picbits Sales

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> is a> generous person.
> Oh Pulleeezz...He is here for customers...over and over
As the original poster of this thread, I had no objections whatsoever to
Olin promoting his programmer. It was on target for the topic and I'd
completely forgotton about his programmer.

I see nothing wrong with using the list for advertising your own products if
done in moderation and not abused. If Olin contributes a certain amount of
his time helping others then why shouldn't he get some benefit back.

And for the record - I voted for Olin to return. I don't post on here that
much but I do read most if not all of the posts on a daily basis. I've been
using the Piclist under various email addresses for many years now (probably
around 6-7 years but thats just a guestimate).

'[PIC] Wanted - Promate II programming modules'
2008\06\10@105203 by olin piclist

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fred jones wrote:
> Bob Blick wrote: > Olin is a busy man who is educated, intelligent,
> and fully employed. He> does not market the piclist with his products
> or troll for customers. He> doesn't help people in order to stroke
> his ego. He helps because he is a> generous person.
> Oh Pulleeezz...He is here for customers...over and over again:> From:
> EraseMEolin_piclistspamEraseMEembedinc.com> To: @spam@piclist@spam@spamspam_OUTmit.edu> Subject: Re: [PIC]
> Wanted - Promate II programming modules> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008
> 08:27:58 -0400> > Picbits Sales wrote:> > I know that for the price
> of a new single module I could upgrade to> > the ICD2 but it seems a
> shame to waste a perfectly good PM II.> > Or my USBProg
> (http://www.embedinc.com/products/usbprog) at about half the> price
> of a ICD2. It comes with a command line interface, so it can be
> fully> scripted.> > I understand the feeling of not wanting to
> "waste" the PM II. But all money> already spent is water under the
> bridge. Look at where you are now, then> look for the most effective
> way to get where you want to be.> > >

You might want to look into why your email is wrapped to oblivion when
viewed with OE.

In any case, I mentioned one of my products only because it seemed like it
could be good solution to what someone directly asked about.  I do also
occasionally announce new products or features on [AD].  As far as I am
aware, these actions are both within the letter and the spirit of what is
expected here.


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2008\06\10@162547 by John Ferrell

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"
> In any case, I mentioned one of my products only because it seemed like it
> could be good solution to what someone directly asked about.  I do also
> occasionally announce new products or features on [AD].  As far as I am
> aware, these actions are both within the letter and the spirit of what is
> expected here.
"
It seemed to be a good fit in thread to me...

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'[OT] RE: Wanted - Promate II programming modules'
2008\06\10@171429 by Dennis Crawley

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On Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:05 AM [GMT-3=CET],
Picbits Sales  wrote:

> I've
> been using the Piclist under various email addresses for many years now
> (probably around 6-7 years but thats just a guestimate).

1 Aug 2002 ±24h?... 5 years so far. :)

Dennis.

2008\06\10@222558 by Robert Ammerman

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>> Oh Pulleeezz...He is here for customers...over and over
> As the original poster of this thread, I had no objections whatsoever to
> Olin promoting his programmer. It was on target for the topic and I'd
> completely forgotton about his programmer.

Oh, pullllllllleeeeeeeezzzzzz......

Olin was a contributing member of the PICLIST long, long before he had any
products to sell here!

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2008\06\11@031754 by Picbits Sales

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That would probably be under my current email address/signup.

I remember using it from work when I'd just moved house and that was back in
1999/2000 ish

I think I've signed up 3 or 4 times in all as I've lost email addresses and
internet access at times.

DOm
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'[OT] RE: Wanted - Promate II programming modules'
2008\07\20@225651 by Larry G. Nelson Sr
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I have a client that needs 2 Promate II units and
1 In circuit programming module for it.
Eventually I need to find out why their fixture
does not work with the Promate 3 but for now they
asked me if I can find the units they have been
using. They had one that died but Microchip is unable to repair it.

I will be asking around at the Masters as well.

Thanks
Larry



At 09:36 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote:
>I understand that we all have strong feelings on
>the subject of Olin, but I respectfully request
>that we keep it under some thread other than [PIC].
>
>Thank You,
>Lyle Hazelwood
>
> > {Original Message removed}

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