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2005\09\10@175057 by Peter Van der Zeen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Peter Van der Zee wrote:

Hi All;

I'm designing an add-on buffered LED board for the SX 48/52 proto board, and I need to understand the reference to VCC versus VDD on the schematics.


My suspicion is that they are one-and-the-same, and simply inconsitently labeled in the published schematics, but without a physical unit to inspect, I can't be positive.


Please, can anyone who has such a board confirm that VCC is indeed the same as VDD ?


Many thanks,

Peter (pjv)
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2005\09\10@180506 by Chris Savagen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Chris Savage wrote:

Peter,
  Vcc and Vdd both refer to a circuit's positive power supply rail.  So they would both be the same.  I hope this helps you.

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2005\09\10@182007 by Peter Van der Zeen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Peter Van der Zee wrote:

Hi Chris;
Thanks for the confirmation.

Cheers,
Peter (pjv)
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2005\09\11@100454 by johncouturen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, johncouture wrote:

Chris,
Just out of curiosity, is there some "master dictionary" of these symbols?

I understand Vin but where do the Vcc, Vdd, Vss, Vee, etc come from?  Schematics don't seem to have a "key" or "legend" like maps do.

Vss, for example is ground.  Back in the days before electricity (just kidding) did that mean something like "Short Circuit"?

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2005\09\11@101905 by Chris Savagen/a
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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Chris Savage wrote:

John,
  While I have an extensive electronics background, especially in Digital and Microprocessor technology, I never got any college education in AC electronics, such as you would get at the end of your Engineering degree (the goos stuff)...Thusly I have heard several variations on the sources of these symbols.  I have always (Since I was into electonics) known what they mean, but the origins don't seem to be a simply answer even for engineers.  Below is a recent thread with the same question, and some possible answers.

http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=5&m=64627
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2005\09\11@102403 by g_daubachn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, g_daubach wrote:

John,
AFAIK, all these names are relics of different digital IC technologies. It all started with the "good old" TTL (Transistor-Transistor Logic) components which used Vcc (V collector-collector) for the positive supply pin and GND (ground) for the negative supply pin. Later, CMOS components came up, and Vdd (V drain-drain) was used for the positive, and Vss (V source-source) for the negative supply pin.

The "official" SX datasheets use the terms Vdd and Vss but you will find different terms in other docs.

The different names for supply pins are sometimes a PIA when you use a PCB layout program, like EGALE where library components can have implied supply pins. This means that such pins by default are not visible with the component's schematic symbols, and the software automatically "connects" such pins to equally-named nets in the schematic (if they are there). Imagine what happens when you want to use one library component with implied names Vcc and GND together with another one with implied Vdd and Vss names. Most likely, the electrical rule check wiull give you an error.

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2005\09\11@210306 by johncouturen/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, johncouture wrote:

Thank you Guenther, that does help ... I'll add it to a dictionary for the SX Resource pages ... I just noticed that you first name is spelled differently on the cover of your "Programming the SX Microcontroller" book.

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2005\09\12@014506 by George Herzogn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, George Herzog wrote:

Obviously, at times such differences are useful.  
But, doesn't the SX-48/52 try to clairfy between the Servo power circuit and the IC only circuit?

You have created some doubts about how I wired my board for servos.

Being an antique myself,
I still prefer +5 regulated , +V unregulated , and Ground [Vss as usual].

.  
Lingusitically, these systems of jargon are often meant to exclude and confuse the layman as much as help the expert.  
For example - Long and short tons, board and cubic feet of lumber.  If you don't fully understand them, you may pay more.  Maybe a lot more.

So, we will never get rid of the problem - but we can find a way around it
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2005\09\12@025813 by g_daubachn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, g_daubach wrote:

John,
you will find various spellings of my first name: Gunther, Guenther, Günther, and even Geunther (which is a typo) :-).

The "official" spelling in my certificate of birth is Günther. The problem is this fancy Umlaut-U (ü) which is not available on most keyboards (except the ones we use here), so you may simply forget about the two dots, and use a regular "u". The "ue" is a replacement fur the "ü" that was used on vintage teletype and telex machines because they used Baudot- or ASCII-Code tables that don't have definitions for Umlauts at all.

As you may guess, there are more Umlauts used in the German language: ä, ö, ü, Ä, Ö, Ü, and another special character, the ß, a sharp s.

When mighty IBM launched their first PC, they used an extended ASCII table including the Umlauts and more special characters used in other languages. Unfortunately, all these characters are somewhere in the upper half of the code table. You can imagine what PIA it was/is, writing a correct sorting algorythm respecting the Umlauts. Well, mighty MS has given us more character tables, like Unicode, wide characters, etc. etc. Life would be so easy if we all would speak the same language, although this would not automatically be a guarantee for better understanding :-) .

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2005\09\12@081829 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

For those of us with American keyboards, there is a short cut to typing extended ASCII codes if you know the decimal number of the ASCII character you want. ü is ASCII 129, to display it: hold the Alt key down, type 129 on the numeric keypad, then release the Alt key. This works for any ASCII character.

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2005\09\13@005300 by g_daubachn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, g_daubach wrote:

Paul,
yes, I did not mention this Alt-Code feature - so here are the "magic numbers" for the Umlauts:

132 - ä
148 - ö
129 - ü
142 - Ä
153 - Ö
154 - Ü
225 - ß
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2005\09\14@083827 by dkemppain/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, dkemppai wrote:

The different names for supply pins are sometimes a PIA when you use a PCB layout program, like EGALE where library components can have implied supply pins. This means that such pins by default are not visible with the component's schematic symbols, and the software automatically "connects" such pins to equally-named nets in the schematic (if they are there). Imagine what happens when you want to use one library component with implied names Vcc and GND together with another one with implied Vdd and Vss names. Most likely, the electrical rule check wiull give you an error.



Typically, in eagle, you recieve a warning, not an error....   ...when you connect VDD, VCC, and +5V...  ...there is a little difference between the two.  :-)     Errors are show stoppers, where warnings are just warnings.


-Dan
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2005\09\14@084631 by Coriolisn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, Coriolis wrote:

That one is easy to remember, it's 234, ?

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2005\09\14@122241 by prcoyn/a

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In SX Microcontrollers, SX/B Compiler and SX-Key Tool, prcoy wrote:

dont forget these:

alt-155 - cents alt-167 - degrees alt-171 - 1/2 alt-172 - 1/4 alt-230 - micro << my favorite ;)
alt-241 - +/-
alt-246 - the other divide alt-249 - the dot alt-253 - squared
Paul
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