Post by thread:A plea for focus. . .

I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low signal-to-noise ratio. Could we keep the discussion to PIC topics please? I had over 50 messages in my inbox this morning, and a prolific PIC discussion would be very welcome. But most were discussing magnetic fields, perpetual motion machines, urban legends, house wiring practice US vs. UK -- so now I delete most of the messages without reading. The folks on USEnet figured this out a while ago -- if it isn't relevant, don't read it, and PLEASE don't respond. And if you MUST respond (perhaps your ego tells you that your insight is especially keen and unique, which it is not), do it in personal email, not to the list. So please: 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support tools and projects. Ignore anything not related. 2. Try to be concise -- remember people have to read it, and most of us are busy. Put something descriptive on the subject line. If you are sending a follow-up in a thread, include the original subject so people can easily see if it is a thread of interest. 3. Thanks for all those who have sent relevant and useful PIC info -- it makes the list worth reading.

At 09:40 AM 9/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low >signal-to-noise ratio. Could we keep the discussion to PIC topics please? We have this discussion come up from time to time, and you know what? People like the sorta-off-topic stuff. It won't go away, and where else can you get such a good variety of people answering all kinds of questions? Usenet stinks - it doesn't come in your e-mail! >3. Thanks for all those who have sent relevant and useful PIC info -- it >makes the list worth reading. Very often these off-topic threads come around to solve problems that I have in other projects. I for one want to keep them. If you want a list that sticks very much to PIC-related info, join the Parallax list. http://www.parallaxinc.com Oh, BTW, it's mostly newbies so don't expect too much help. Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ spam_OUTandyTakeThisOuTrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats .....andyKILLspam@spam@montanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Randy Brumbaugh wrote: [snip] > So please: > 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support > tools and projects. Ignore anything not related. PIC? what is a PIC? > I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed ... Ahhh, this explain. By the way, you looks to be a well informed person, perhaps you can help us... we are looking for a strong magnetic shield to produce a moto generator to feed a microcontroller... can you help us? :)

Wagner, you are EVIL!!! ROFL! Andy At 12:44 PM 9/24/99 -0400, you wrote: {Quote hidden}>Randy Brumbaugh wrote: >[snip] >> So please: >> 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support >> tools and projects. Ignore anything not related. > >PIC? what is a PIC? > >> I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed ... > >Ahhh, this explain. By the way, you looks to be a well informed person, >perhaps you can help us... we are looking for a strong magnetic shield >to produce a moto generator to feed a microcontroller... can you help >us? >:) ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ andyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats .....andyKILLspam.....montanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

> I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low > signal-to-noise ratio. Actually, the signal-to-noise *ratio* on PICLIST is, on an average basis, quite favorable. The thing is, however, that the *absolute* noise level is quite high. There just doesn't happen to *be* any signal at the moment, so all you are seeing is the noise. Like, for example, right now there appears to be a metadiscussion about the S/N ratio on PICLIST, which IMHO is contributing to the noise level, not the signal. Perhaps you would be interested in contributing to the signal? --Bob

> > I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low > > signal-to-noise ratio. You may apply for a refund by following the procedure on page 27 of the PICLIST handbook. > Actually, the signal-to-noise *ratio* on PICLIST is, on an average basis, > quite favorable. The thing is, however, that the *absolute* noise level is > quite high. There just doesn't happen to *be* any signal at the moment, so > all you are seeing is the noise. Like, for example, right now there appears > to be a metadiscussion about the S/N ratio on PICLIST, which IMHO is > contributing to the noise level, not the signal. Perhaps you would be > interested in contributing to the signal? Bravo Bob! The absolute signal level gets pretty high too!

Harrison Cooper wrote: > > And...amazing enough, this thread ought to create additional noise. I > replied private to him.... > > BUT...nice thing is....hardly any spam these days... > > *knocking on wood* With us Admins watching like hawks, it's not a good idea to spam the list - having "only members can post to the list" helps a lot (Spammers are usually too dumb to figure out how to join lists to spam 'em.) I like it this way, too. Mark

>Lithuim Flouride? I think you meant Lithium, but that would have been LiF Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ andyspam_OUTrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats @spam@andyKILLspammontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

At 11:36 AM 9/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >Harrison Cooper wrote: >> >> And...amazing enough, this thread ought to create additional noise. I >> replied private to him.... >> >> BUT...nice thing is....hardly any spam these days... >> >> *knocking on wood* > > With us Admins watching like hawks, it's not a good idea to spam the >list - having "only members can post to the list" helps a lot (Spammers >are usually too dumb to figure out how to join lists to spam 'em.) I >like it this way, too. And the only way they can get back off is to buy a T-Shirt! Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ KILLspamandyKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats RemoveMEandyTakeThisOuTmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Andy Kunz wrote: > > At 11:36 AM 9/24/99 -0700, you wrote: > > <snipped> > > With us Admins watching like hawks, it's not a good idea to spam the > >list - having "only members can post to the list" helps a lot (Spammers > >are usually too dumb to figure out how to join lists to spam 'em.) I > >like it this way, too. > > And the only way they can get back off is to buy a T-Shirt! ... With a stolen credit card, usually, is the way THEY pay for things... > Andy Mark

At 03:01 PM 9/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >OH! Now that is a good idea! Sort of an extortion type list. > >> And the only way they can get back off is to buy a T-Shirt! Hmmm, maybe.... Actually, if it's extortion, they probably already have one out there already. Send a letter to spamBeGonegollygapspamBeGoneyahoo.com and see what lists you end up on! Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ TakeThisOuTandyEraseMEspam_OUTrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats RemoveMEandyTakeThisOuTmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

The list is mostly PIC related a lot of the time, but drifts off now and then. I personally would get pretty bored reading just dry PIC messages. Now, the religion and politics rants can get annoying, but I welcome other technical topics from other engineers. Randy Brumbaugh wrote: {Quote hidden}> I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low > signal-to-noise ratio. Could we keep the discussion to PIC topics please? > I had over 50 messages in my inbox this morning, and a prolific PIC > discussion would be very welcome. But most were discussing magnetic > fields, perpetual motion machines, urban legends, house wiring practice US > vs. UK -- so now I delete most of the messages without reading. > > The folks on USEnet figured this out a while ago -- if it isn't relevant, > don't read it, and PLEASE don't respond. And if you MUST respond (perhaps > your ego tells you that your insight is especially keen and unique, which > it is not), do it in personal email, not to the list. > > So please: > 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support tools > and projects. Ignore anything not related. > > 2. Try to be concise -- remember people have to read it, and most of us > are busy. Put something descriptive on the subject line. If you are > sending a follow-up in a thread, include the original subject so people can > easily see if it is a thread of interest. > > 3. Thanks for all those who have sent relevant and useful PIC info -- it > makes the list worth reading.

Wagner, By amazing coincidence I have three left of (complete!) mag shield + moto generator as you refer to in your post to Randy Bee low. Please reply off list re purchasing details. regards, Graham Daniel. P.S. I feel strong sympathy for you over the undeserved criticism of your educational background. Anyone without (at a minimum) a doctorate and at least 20 years industry experience in perpectual motion machine design and instalation should not be so impudent as to criticise your superb writings. (Graham D.) Wagner Lipnharski wrote: {Quote hidden}> Randy Brumbaugh wrote: > [snip] > > So please: > > 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support > > tools and projects. Ignore anything not related. > > PIC? what is a PIC? > > > I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed ... > > Ahhh, this explain. By the way, you looks to be a well informed person, > perhaps you can help us... we are looking for a strong magnetic shield > to produce a moto generator to feed a microcontroller... can you help > us? > :) (yes, we are pulling your tail !)

subscribble PICkle subscribble perpictual emoliant machine subscribble [OT] subscribble newbie moderator master battlers Randy Brumbaugh wrote: > I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low > signal-to-noise ratio. Could we keep the discussion to PIC topics please? > I had over 50 messages in my inbox this morning, and a prolific PIC > discussion would be very welcome. But most were discussing magnetic > fields, perpetual motion machines, urban legends, house wiring practice US > vs. UK -- so now I delete most of the messages without reading.

Andy wrote... > > Very often these off-topic threads come around to solve problems that I > have in other projects. I for one want to keep them. > Exactly!!! A REALLY successful product will have some advantage over a competitor, technical understanding of topics not strictly PIC can be of enormous help. Someone else may contribute the serendipity you need. If you want a really PIC only site .. try Microchips forum (zzzzz yawn), it would probably suit you. _____________________________ Lance Allen Technical Officer Uni of Auckland Psych Dept New Zealand _____________________________

At 14:45 24/09/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 11:36 AM 9/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Harrison Cooper wrote: >>> >>> And...amazing enough, this thread ought to create additional noise. I >>> replied private to him.... >>> >>> BUT...nice thing is....hardly any spam these days... >>> >>> *knocking on wood* >> >> With us Admins watching like hawks, it's not a good idea to spam the >>list - having "only members can post to the list" helps a lot (Spammers >>are usually too dumb to figure out how to join lists to spam 'em.) I >>like it this way, too. > >And the only way they can get back off is to buy a T-Shirt! > >Andy > Hey Andy, watch it or that dude whom complained about Tony and his Picknpoke adds will get you. On that where is Tony? Dennis >================================================================== > Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! >------------------------------------------------------------------ >EraseMEandyrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats >RemoveMEandyEraseMEEraseMEmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics >================================================================== > >

>Hey Andy, watch it or that dude whom complained about Tony and his >Picknpoke adds will get you. On that where is Tony? > He's around - I got a message from him about what size T-shirt to order the other day. For you non-American types: An XL shirt is the right thing for a 100cm chest. Andy ================================================================== Andy Kunz Life is what we do to prepare for Eternity ------------------------------------------------------------------ RemoveMEandyspam_OUTKILLspamrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats RemoveMEandyTakeThisOuTspammontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

At 22:34 26/09/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Hey Andy, watch it or that dude whom complained about Tony and his >>Picknpoke adds will get you. On that where is Tony? >> > >He's around - I got a message from him about what size T-shirt to order the >other day. > >For you non-American types: An XL shirt is the right thing for a 100cm chest. > So would XXL be 105 or 110? I would like to wear anuthing that said "Eat my PIC shit" that was too tight Oh yes, I DON'T HAVE THE TUMMY to match Dennis {Quote hidden}>Andy > >================================================================== >Andy Kunz Life is what we do to prepare for Eternity >------------------------------------------------------------------ >EraseMEandyspamspamBeGonerc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats >RemoveMEandyKILLspammontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics >================================================================== > >

>So would XXL be 105 or 110? I would like to wear anuthing that said "Eat my >PIC xxxx" that was too tight >Oh yes, I DON'T HAVE THE TUMMY to match Beats me. I wear an XXL and have a 45" chest. But I got the tummy :-( Hey, you gotta do something to keep a pregant wife happy! I just tried to emulate her <G> Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ andySTOPspamspam_OUTrc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats spamBeGoneandySTOPspamEraseMEmontanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================

Is setting up a filter a suitable option for you? Richard Brian Kraut wrote: {Quote hidden}> The list is mostly PIC related a lot of the time, but drifts off now and then. > I personally would get pretty bored reading just dry PIC messages. > > Now, the religion and politics rants can get annoying, but I welcome other > technical topics from other engineers. > > Randy Brumbaugh wrote: > > > I just discovered and joined this list and am amazed at the terribly low > > signal-to-noise ratio. Could we keep the discussion to PIC topics please? > > I had over 50 messages in my inbox this morning, and a prolific PIC > > discussion would be very welcome. But most were discussing magnetic > > fields, perpetual motion machines, urban legends, house wiring practice US > > vs. UK -- so now I delete most of the messages without reading. > > > > The folks on USEnet figured this out a while ago -- if it isn't relevant, > > don't read it, and PLEASE don't respond. And if you MUST respond (perhaps > > your ego tells you that your insight is especially keen and unique, which > > it is not), do it in personal email, not to the list. > > > > So please: > > 1. Only send to the list things related to PIC processors, support tools > > and projects. Ignore anything not related. > > > > 2. Try to be concise -- remember people have to read it, and most of us > > are busy. Put something descriptive on the subject line. If you are > > sending a follow-up in a thread, include the original subject so people can > > easily see if it is a thread of interest. > > > > 3. Thanks for all those who have sent relevant and useful PIC info -- it > > makes the list worth reading.