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Hello, PIClisters, A few types of microchips products now have their compatible counterparts!!! The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! Best regurads -- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Love human, love peace! Work for success! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 Email: spam_OUTzhuxhTakeThisOuTcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

Send me more info and details on this bit of news. Thanks and Regards, Jim ---------- {Quote hidden}> From: Starfire Zhu <.....zhuxhKILLspam@spam@CHEERFUL.COM> > To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Good news: compatible microchip's products available!! > Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 3:12 AM > > Hello, PIClisters, > > A few types of microchips products now have their compatible > counterparts!!! > The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! > > If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! > > Best regurads > > -- > =============== Starfire Zhu =================== > Love human, love peace! Work for success! > ================================================== > Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 > Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou > Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 > Email: .....zhuxhKILLspam.....cheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 > ==================================================

Hello, Starfire Zhu Can You sent me attached to e-mail the list and price from the compactible devices? Thank You Fernando Santos EraseMEmop18932spam_OUTTakeThisOuTmail.telepac.pt Starfire Zhu escreveu: {Quote hidden}> Hello, PIClisters, > > A few types of microchips products now have their compatible > counterparts!!! > The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! > > If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! > > Best regurads > > -- > =============== Starfire Zhu =================== > Love human, love peace! Work for success! > ================================================== > Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 > Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou > Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 > Email: zhuxhspam_OUTcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 > ==================================================

Hi! I'm also interested. Thanks in advance. Gael Starfire Zhu wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Hello, PIClisters, > > A few types of microchips products now have their compatible > counterparts!!! > The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! > > If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! > > Best regurads > > -- > =============== Starfire Zhu =================== > Love human, love peace! Work for success! > ================================================== > Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 > Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou > Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 > Email: @spam@zhuxhKILLspamcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 > ==================================================

Hi, Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a text editor like Notebook). The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will make you smile. (At least 30% off than PIC!!) Keep contact if I may help you. Best Reguards! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - MDT1005/1010 Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers Model MDT1005 MDT1010 ROM size 0.5K X 14 1.0K X 14 RAM size 25 bytes 25 bytes Instruction bits 14 bits 14 bits Data bus 8 bits 8 bits Number of instructions 36 26 Operation frequency (Hz) 20M 20M Operation Voltage (V) 2.3~6.3 2.3~6.3 Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200 200 Special registers 7 7 I/O 17 I/O, 1 input 17 I/O, 1 input Timer/counter 8 bits 8 bits Timer prescaler 8 bits 8 bits Stack levels 2 2 Watchdog function Enable/Disable Enable/Disable OST time 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms Oscillator type RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT Pull-up resistor PA,PB,RTCC PA,PB,RTCC Sleep current @5V <12.0uA, WDT Enable <12.0uA, WDT Enable <1.0uA, WDT Disable <1.0uA, WDT Disable Power-On reset Yes Yes Power-Edge detector reset Yes Yes Packages 18 pins(300mil body); 18 pins(300mil body); DIP,SOP DIP,SOP Features as compared with PIC: 1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it will start a RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V. 2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and Weak-enable. And it uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If the chip is programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC disabled anymore. 3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices for versatile applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer good help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Love human, love peace! Work for success! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Email: KILLspamzhuxhKILLspamcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

Can you sent some info to my email address? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Starfire Zhu [RemoveMEzhuxhTakeThisOuTCHEERFUL.COM] Sent: 25 October 1998 09:13 To: spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Good news: compatible microchip's products available!! Hello, PIClisters, A few types of microchips products now have their compatible counterparts!!! The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! Best regurads -- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Love human, love peace! Work for success! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 Email: TakeThisOuTzhuxhEraseMEspam_OUTcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

Hi, Joseph, Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a text editor like Notebook). The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will make you smile. (At least 30% off than PIC!!) Keep contact if I may help you. Best Reguards! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - MDT1005/1010 Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers Model MDT1005 MDT1010 ROM size 0.5K X 14 1.0K X 14 RAM size 25 bytes 25 bytes Instruction bits 14 bits 14 bits Data bus 8 bits 8 bits Number of instructions 36 26 Operation frequency (Hz) 20M 20M Operation Voltage (V) 2.3~6.3 2.3~6.3 Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200 200 Special registers 7 7 I/O 17 I/O, 1 input 17 I/O, 1 input Timer/counter 8 bits 8 bits Timer prescaler 8 bits 8 bits Stack levels 2 2 Watchdog function Enable/Disable Enable/Disable OST time 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms Oscillator type RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT Pull-up resistor PA,PB,RTCC PA,PB,RTCC Sleep current @5V <12.0uA, WDT Enable <12.0uA, WDT Enable <1.0uA, WDT Disable <1.0uA, WDT Disable Power-On reset Yes Yes Power-Edge detector reset Yes Yes Packages 18 pins(300mil body); 18 pins(300mil body); DIP,SOP DIP,SOP Features as compared with PIC: 1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it will start a RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V. 2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and Weak-enable. And it uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If the chip is programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC disabled anymore. 3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices for versatile applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer good help. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Cheney, Joseph wrote: > Can you sent some info to my email address? > > Thanks > > {Original Message removed}

What company produces these and what is their website. -----Original Message----- From: Starfire Zhu [SMTP:RemoveMEzhuxhTakeThisOuTCHEERFUL.COM] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 11:16 PM To: PICLISTEraseME.....MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Good news: compatible microchip's products available!! Hi, Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a text editor like Notebook). The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will make you smile. (At least 30% off than PIC!!) Keep contact if I may help you. Best Reguards! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- MDT1005/1010 Compatible 8-bit CMOS Microcontrollers Model MDT1005 MDT1010 ROM size 0.5K X 14 1.0K X 14 RAM size 25 bytes 25 bytes Instruction bits 14 bits 14 bits Data bus 8 bits 8 bits Number of instructions 36 26 Operation frequency (Hz) 20M 20M Operation Voltage (V) 2.3~6.3 2.3~6.3 Instruction Cycle time (ns) 200 200 Special registers 7 7 I/O 17 I/O, 1 input 17 I/O, 1 input Timer/counter 8 bits 8 bits Timer prescaler 8 bits 8 bits Stack levels 2 2 Watchdog function Enable/Disable Enable/Disable OST time 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms Oscillator type RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT RC,LFXT,XTAL,HFXT Pull-up resistor PA,PB,RTCC PA,PB,RTCC Sleep current @5V <12.0uA, WDT Enable <12.0uA, WDT Enable <1.0uA, WDT Disable <1.0uA, WDT Disable Power-On reset Yes Yes Power-Edge detector reset Yes Yes Packages 18 pins(300mil body); 18 pins(300mil body); DIP,SOP DIP,SOP Features as compared with PIC: 1. MDT has a PED (Power Edge Detector) to watch the power supply, it will start a RESET when the voltage gets as low as 1.1~1.3V. 2. For Code protection, MDT has 3 choices: Enable, Disable and Weak-enable. And it uses SEC(security) to replace CP(code protection). Unlike PIC, If the chip is programmed with SEC = Enable, the chip can't reprogrammed as SEC disabled anymore. 3. MDT Microcontrollers provide 4 OST(Oscillator Setup Time) choices for versatile applications: 150us,20ms,40ms,80ms. In many cases, this may offer good help. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Love human, love peace! Work for success! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Email: EraseMEzhuxhcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

Hi! I'm also interested too. Thanks in advance. Valter Starfire Zhu wrote: {Quote hidden}> Hello, PIClisters, > > A few types of microchips products now have their compatible > counterparts!!! > The prices are lower more than 30% off!!! > > If this is your interest, please contact me ASAP! > > Best regurads > > -- > =============== Starfire Zhu =================== > Love human, love peace! Work for success! > ================================================== > Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 > Add: Rm.104, 2nd Bld., #26, GongYe Rd.3, XiangZhou > Zhuhai City, GuangDong PR. China 519000 > Email: RemoveMEzhuxhEraseMEEraseMEcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 > ==================================================

Starfire Zhu wrote: > > Hi, > > Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a > text editor like Notebook). > The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will > make you smile. > (At least 30% off than PIC!!) I prefer to stick with genuine PIC parts They have a proven track record, can yours be pluged in the wrong way round and survive, burn your finger and still work or be powered direct from a 9V alkaline battery without damage? Also will you be releasing regular upgrades of SPLAB IDE, SPLAB-C and SPASM ? PS I am only this loyal to a company if they are straight with me. Bouncing hundreds of messages to the PIClist though infuriating, doesn't count. The truth about SX doesn't count either, I won't touch the SX as long as it's associated with parallax (parallax a bigger bunch of liers is hard to find) -- Peter Cousens email: RemoveMEcousensspam_OUTKILLspamher.forthnet.gr phone: + 3081 380534 snailmail: Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion Crete, Greece. Is it true that they have, on the new version of windows managed to increase the MTBF from 95 to 98 minutes ? (That's why they called it 95)

Hi, thank you for instructing. You are right, 17I/O should have been 12I/O. With other respects, they are as good as genuin PIC Best reguards! Peter L. Peres wrote: {Quote hidden}> On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Starfire Zhu wrote: > > > I/O 17 I/O, 1 input 17 I/O, 1 input > ^^^ ^^^ > How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins ? Can you please rectify this > information ? > vv vv > > Packages 18 pins(300mil body); 18 pins(300mil body); > > DIP,SOP DIP,SOP > > Also, I'd like to know if the chips are specified as full static CMOS or > do they have a minimum clock frequency ? > > regards, > > Peter -- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Work for success! Share fruit with friends! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Email: EraseMEzhuxhspamspamBeGonecheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

Hi, Peter, The programming tool required is a bit different than PIC. I can provide timing spec. for you to deal with this or I can provide specific programmers to do the programming. Peter L. Peres wrote: > Is the programming algorythm directly equivalent to PIC54 etc (parallel) > or does one need special tools, and if so, which, and how much do they > cost. Is the programming a parallel process or the serial process applied > to 54 series cores. > > Peter -- =============== Starfire Zhu =================== Work for success! Share fruit with friends! ================================================== Tel: 86-756-2236157 2115540 FAX: 2115541 Email: RemoveMEzhuxhKILLspamcheerful.com ICQ#:7037093 ==================================================

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Starfire Zhu wrote: > Hi, Peter, > > The programming tool required is a bit different than PIC. I can provide > timing spec. for you to deal with this or I can provide specific programmers > to do the programming. Please send specs for programming. I/we make a certain PIC programming tool and we would like to support your chips. If possible, send specs with timing diagrams and tables. This way there will be fewer mistakes. We do not accept Windows/Microsoft file formats. Send as plain text, Post Script, PDF, dvi or tex. Peter

Peter L. Peres wrote: > How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins? Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output. ;-) If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far more than a mere 30% off. Perhaps someone is taking a profit? I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is. And a web site adds credibility. No web site, no clue. -- James Cameron (cameronSTOPspamspam_OUTstl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

Eisermann, Phil wrote: > > David Wong wrote: > > > > > What company produces these and what is their website. > > To which Starfire Zhu replied: > No website available at present. The company is in China. > > ...and the name of the company would be? I did a search, and it looks like the company is called EZE. http://members.xoom.com/eze/indexe.htm -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt spamBeGonetjaartSTOPspamEraseMEwasp.co.za |--------------------------------------------------| | WASP International | |R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development| |--------------------------------------------------| |SMS KILLspamtjaartspamBeGonesms.wasp.co.za (160 chars max)| | http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | |Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686 Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973| | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |--------------------------------------------------|

Hi Peter and all, I completely agree with you. However, for the matter of the fact: Parallax had stopped "releasing regular upgrades of SPASM", they said. I find it also not so fine... Imre On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Peter Cousens wrote: {Quote hidden}> Starfire Zhu wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Below is a piece of information about these chips. (Please view it in a > > text editor like Notebook). > > The actual prices are dependent on your ordering quantity, and sure will > > make you smile. > > (At least 30% off than PIC!!) > > I prefer to stick with genuine PIC parts > They have a proven track record, can yours be pluged in the wrong > way round and survive, burn your finger and still work or be > powered direct from a 9V alkaline battery without damage? > > Also will you be releasing regular > upgrades of SPLAB IDE, SPLAB-C and SPASM ? > > PS I am only this loyal to a company if they are straight with me. > Bouncing hundreds of messages to the PIClist though infuriating, > doesn't count. > The truth about SX doesn't count either, I won't touch the SX as long > as it's associated with parallax (parallax a bigger bunch of liers > is hard to find) > -- > Peter Cousens > email: EraseMEcousensEraseMEher.forthnet.gr phone: + 3081 380534 > snailmail: Folia, Agia Fotini, Karteros, Heraklion Crete, Greece. > > Is it true that they have, on the new version of windows > managed to increase the MTBF from 95 to 98 minutes ? > (That's why they called it 95) > >

The company probably wants to keep a low profile, after a similar company was put out of business for exporting pirate Win95, WinNT and Microsoft Office CD-ROMS. Regarding the pinouts, I think you can download the data sheets from microchip. So for a YB16C54 (YB stands for Yellow Beard, till we know the pirate's name), you would go to Microchip and download the datasheet for a PIC15C54. A skilled pirate would have ensured that the pinouts are an exact match, though some of the electical specs may vary. The key to hardware and software piracy is to make an exact copy, and thus leave all documentation and support expenses to the company you have victimized. {Original Message removed}

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:53:39 +1100, you wrote: >Peter L. Peres wrote: >> How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins? > >Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output. ;-) > >If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far >more than a mere 30% off. Perhaps someone is taking a profit? > >I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is. > >And a web site adds credibility. No web site, no clue. I've tried these devices with two existing 16c54 and one 16c56 designs & they worked fine. The programmer software is a bit of a dog - the opcode mapping is different, so you have to run the .hex file though TWO seperate dos command-line converters (with different parameter formats!) before loading it into the programmer! But it does appear to work. My customer who was looking at these has put it on hold for the moment, as he found he could get the genuine article cheaper by importing from (I think) Australia. Maybe MCT are shipping devices at lower prices to the far East to compete with other devices ?

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Dr. Imre Bartfai wrote: >memory ... x 14 bits >stack 2 levels >what kinda of PIC want they to be? > 16C5X compatible (14 bit instructions is basically extension of 16C54 12 bit) I fail to understand the critisism (flames) that "Starfire Zhu" has attracted for posting news of these products. I wish to make the following points. 1. A second (or third) source for chips is ALWAYS good news. It shows that the market is maturing somewhat, and further increases the use PIC based products. I have customers who INSIST on second source for all parts. 2. It is not obvious that these are "rip-offs" of microchip parts, merely pin compatible and code compatible. The 14 bit instruction set for 16C5X parts is an indication that these aren't direct copies. 3. Mr "Starfire Zhu" has not laid claim to having designed these parts, merely pointed out that they exist. Are we to assume that anyone gets flamed for pointing out what others have made available? 4. The web site http://www.ezeuk.com has zipped doc files for the parts no doubt closer scrutiny of the data sheets will clarify some of these issues. Ok, that's my 2 cents flame away! Ray Gardiner @spam@ray@spam@spam_OUThdc.com.au

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, James Cameron wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: > > How can an 18 pin package have 18 IO pins? > > Well, the supply pin is an input, and the ground pin is an output. ;-) > > If a Chinese company is duplicating Microchip's work, I'd expect far > more than a mere 30% off. Perhaps someone is taking a profit? > > I'd want to know if it is licensed and how compatible it is. > > And a web site adds credibility. No web site, no clue. FYI, the way things look here, for now, is, you buy the really good things from companies that have no web site. They are simply too busy producting and selling to bother about extra advertising ;) One should never look upon a place through one's own glasses ;) Peter

It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic languaging, and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy. Also because he has no visibility. Also because he answers only the easy positive questions. Answer that Mr. Zhu, (the con artist formerly known as "starfire") John Griessen -----Original Message----- I fail to understand the critisism (flames) that "Starfire Zhu" has attracted for posting news of these products. . . . Ray Gardiner spamBeGonerayKILLspamhdc.com.au

For what its worth, I'm not so sure the hardware side of his offerings appear to be any more than is offered by many others - functional clones of other products. If you can achieve the same results without violating patents (and part of the art of many (most? ;-) patents is to describe simple common sense and prior art that any fool knew about, in a form that sounds new to the patent examiner) then common practice seems to be to go for it. Copying other people's silicon directly sounds somewhat naughtier but whose to say with any certainty that this is what's happening here? (It may well be but I haven't seen anything that would make me certain of it). Even direct copying, if not in violation of patent or copyright, is part of normal business practice (sadly perhaps, but is he being criticised for being Chinese or for doing things that others wouldn't dream of?). And the children of Fairchild begat Intel, and the children of Intel begat AMD and ..... ? And the minds of Xerox Parc thought long and hard and developed all sorts of toys (or maybe they saw them somewhere else that I haven't heard of) and they said, "one day you will all use mice and windows and GUIs and ..." (but they used different names for them), and the boys at Apple said, "we sure will", and the boys at Microsoft said .... and .... ? From: John Griessen <.....john_gspam_OUTCIBOLO.COM> >It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic languaging, >and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy. Also {Quote hidden}>because he has no visibility. Also because he answers only the easy >positive questions. > >Answer that Mr. Zhu, (the con artist formerly known as "starfire") > >John Griessen > >-----Original Message----- > >I fail to understand the critisism (flames) that "Starfire Zhu" has >attracted >for posting news of these products. >Ray Gardiner TakeThisOuTray.....TakeThisOuThdc.com.au

>The company probably wants to keep a low profile, after a similar company >was put out of business for exporting pirate Win95, WinNT and Microsoft >Office CD-ROMS. Sorry, no. At this very moment I can walk 200 yds and buy any quantity of W98 upgrades, W95, WNT v5, Virtual Studio 97 (4 CD's), Enc Brit 98 (3 cds) etc etc at 5 CDROMs for $HK100, or $US12.95. Over the border the prices are even cheaper. Just last night I watched Private Ryan - 3 cd's - which I bought for $Hk20. Pirated books (in english) have been stopped for many years but CDROMs have never been stopped. >PIC15C54. A skilled pirate would have ensured that the pinouts are an exact >match, though some of the electical specs may vary. The key to hardware and >software piracy is to make an exact copy, and thus leave all documentation >and support expenses to the company you have victimized. China is only doing now what Japan did in the 1970's then Taiwan & Korea did in the 80's & 90's. COPY, develop fast then start to worry about the legalities. Last week at the HK Electronics show it was very clear that China is a major player in electronics fabrication & manufacture. The young people in china today have english as their 2nd (non-dialect) language. A generation ago it was russian and look where that got them! I would take a guess that 1/3 to 1/2 the mainland chinese booths had email or web addresses. The trend is clear; get used to it. regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------- Peter J. Crowcroft DIY ELECTRONICS (HK) Ltd PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong Voice: 852-2720 0255 Fax: 852-2725 0610 Web: http://kitsrus.com ICQ #2064 4080 -------------------------------------------------

William Chops Westfield wrote: > FPGA implementations of popular processors have been mentioned a couple > of times. Are any of these freeware sorts of things? I need something to > do with all those Xilinx and Altera chips I have lying around... > > Thanks > Bill W I have seen a app note of a VHDL implementation of a 'micro' (it lookedlike a PIC to me) on one of the sites. Of course, I can't remember which. I'll go through my old book marks... -- Friendly Regards Tjaart van der Walt TakeThisOuTtjaartKILLspamspamwasp.co.za |--------------------------------------------------| | WASP International | |R&D Engineer : GSM peripheral services development| |--------------------------------------------------| |SMS .....tjaartRemoveMEsms.wasp.co.za (160 chars max)| | http://www.wasp.co.za/~tjaart/index.html | |Voice: +27-(0)11-622-8686 Fax: +27-(0)11-622-8973| | WGS-84 : 26¡10.52'S 28¡06.19'E | |--------------------------------------------------|

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:45:30 -0000, you wrote: >It's because his style reeks of psychologically expert hypnotic languaging, >and the cheery tone lulls many into ignoring the probable piracy. Remember he's not a native english speaker. Oriental English often appears rather 'colourful' to westerners! His messages are not untypical of the style of many other far-easterners. >Also because he has no visibility. Also because he answers only the easy >positive questions. > >Answer that Mr. Zhu, (the con artist formerly known as "starfire") ..you have sufficient proof to back up this libellous accusation? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? >John Griessen > >{Original Message removed}