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'NON PIC QUESTION : PDF format'
1996\03\27@094027 by Harrison Cooper

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First, I'm not getting those annoying messages that say my message
has been posted twice, but on the other hand, I don't see my posts
either.  Are these making it to the list ?

OK, PDF format.  Using Acrobat, I can download and read these.  Appears
to be a scan of a document, or is PDF a postscript defined file ?
In other words, how does one go about making a PDF file that can be
viewed using acrobat ?  Being an Adobe product, I looked at Photoshop
choice of formats to save a scan, but nothing showed up as PDF.
So, anyone know how to do this ?

-Harrison Cooper
spam_OUThcooperTakeThisOuTspames.com

1996\03\27@102035 by Martin Darwin

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To make a PDF document you need the PDF writer that comes with Adobe =
Exchange. The PDF writer is a printer driver that saves the output to a =
file.  So if you are in Word, etc... all you have to do is say print to =
PDF and voila you have a PDF file.
Md

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From:   Harrison Cooper[SMTP:.....hcooperKILLspamspam@spam@ES.COM]
Sent:   March 27, 1996 9:38 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list PICLIST
Subject:        NON PIC QUESTION : PDF format

First, I'm not getting those annoying messages that say my message
has been posted twice, but on the other hand, I don't see my posts
either.  Are these making it to the list ?

OK, PDF format.  Using Acrobat, I can download and read these.  Appears
to be a scan of a document, or is PDF a postscript defined file ?
In other words, how does one go about making a PDF file that can be
viewed using acrobat ?  Being an Adobe product, I looked at Photoshop
choice of formats to save a scan, but nothing showed up as PDF.
So, anyone know how to do this ?

-Harrison Cooper
hcooperspamKILLspames.com



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1996\03\27@104702 by Przemek Klosowski

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  First, I'm not getting those annoying messages that say my message
  has been posted twice, but on the other hand, I don't see my posts
  either.  Are these making it to the list ?

They are unfortunately a feature/bug of the mailing list software.

  OK, PDF format.  Using Acrobat, I can download and read these.  Appears
  to be a scan of a document, or is PDF a postscript defined file ?
  In other words, how does one go about making a PDF file that can be
  viewed using acrobat ?  Being an Adobe product, I looked at Photoshop
  choice of formats to save a scan, but nothing showed up as PDF.
  So, anyone know how to do this ?

Acrobat is a makeshift invention---a generalized, site-independent
Postscript. It is generated by Adobe software called Distiller. The
advantages are that it is easy to produce (any program that can
generate Postscript can, via Distiller, produce PDF; that includes
word processors and printed page scanners). It is thus popular with
unsophisticated companies that recently switched from ASCII BBSes and
are still dazzled by WYSIWYG.

The disadvantages of PDF result from its unstructured nature: in
general it is impossible to automatically extract information from
PDF files, index them, etc. (unlike properly executed SGML/HTML).

       przemek

1996\03\27@111859 by Roger Books

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>  Acrobat is a makeshift invention---a generalized, site-independent
>  Postscript. It is generated by Adobe software called Distiller. The
>  advantages are that it is easy to produce (any program that can
>  generate Postscript can, via Distiller, produce PDF; that includes
>  word processors and printed page scanners). It is thus popular with
>  unsophisticated companies that recently switched from ASCII BBSes and
>  are still dazzled by WYSIWYG.
>
>  The disadvantages of PDF result from its unstructured nature: in
>  general it is impossible to automatically extract information from
>  PDF files, index them, etc. (unlike properly executed SGML/HTML).
>
>          przemek
>

OK people, let's not start a flame war over this again.

PDF - disadvantages: not easily searchable, not hyperlinked, may not work
                    on your platform.

     advantages: can do a search in acroread, prints exactly as original
                 document, not hyperlinked.

Roger (I love my computer, I HATE WITH A PASSION most online documentation
       and feel people that do html based docs should be flogged.  In
       particular I wish Cisco had that #$&% CDROM shoved...)

1996\03\27@123308 by Eric Smith
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> Are these making it to the list ?

Yes.  You have to send some command to the list server if you want to
receive copies of your own posts.

> In other words, how does one go about making a PDF file that can be
> viewed using acrobat ?

You need the commercial version of Acrobat Exchange; the free one is only a
viewer.  There is also something called Distiller that can translate
PostScript into PDF.

Cheers,
Eric

1996\03\27@154307 by Jonathan King

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At 11:17 AM 3/27/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
Well, I can't resist, I'll throw in my 2 cents...


Look at it from a business' point of view.  You have a huge database of
information(datasheets, etc) in Postscript form for your paper-based
marketing materials.

The cost of translating them to HTML in a professional manner is
astronomical, especially for what is an unproven but trendy marketing
medium.  That kind of committment is not going to come quickly.

PDF files allow you to take your files and put them in a format that takes
~1/3 the space of PS for minimal effort.  Now your web page just needs to
consist of a your pages directing someone to the proper data sheet, with
minimal HTML coding.

It means you get your information out on the web NOW, which is much better
for us, and for less effort, which is better for the company


>>  Acrobat is a makeshift invention---a generalized, site-independent
>>  Postscript. It is generated by Adobe software called Distiller. The
>>  advantages are that it is easy to produce (any program that can
>>  generate Postscript can, via Distiller, produce PDF; that includes
>>  word processors and printed page scanners). It is thus popular with
>>  unsophisticated companies that recently switched from ASCII BBSes and
>>  are still dazzled by WYSIWYG.

I'd think that any company that had a BBS a few years ago is probably
more sophisitcated than those that never heard of the Internet until 6 months
ago.


>>  The disadvantages of PDF result from its unstructured nature: in
>>  general it is impossible to automatically extract information from
>>  PDF files, index them, etc. (unlike properly executed SGML/HTML).

But is sure beats trying to use ghostscript on a PS file :-)
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1996\03\27@172538 by Don McKenzie

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On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Harrison Cooper wrote:

> First, I'm not getting those annoying messages that say my message
> has been posted twice, but on the other hand, I don't see my posts
> either.  Are these making it to the list ?

I may have confused some on the list by a previous statment. I think I
put a space between no and repro. It should be one word as shown below:

>set piclist ack norepro

>Your subscription options have been successfully updated. Here are the exact
>settings now  in use  for your  subscription. Please take  a few  moments to
>check that this is indeed what you wanted.

>Subscription options for Don McKenzie <EraseMEdonmckspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTTBSA.COM.AU>, list PICLIST:
>Ack=Yes, Mail=Yes, Files=Yes, Repro=No, Header=Short, Renewal=Yes,
>Conceal=No

And it still works. That's the third time I have used it in three weeks.

If you send a 'help' message, it will give you a list of commands that
can be sent.

'info' will order documentation.

Don...

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