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'PIC emulators'
1997\11\10@141643 by SHAWN ELLIS

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I'm sorry to bring this up again, but a little while ago there was a
discussion on the list about WIN NT 4.0 and the PIC master.  As I
recall, one could not use the PIC master with WIN NT 4.0.  So my
question is this:

ARE there ANY in circuit emulators out there that WILL work with NT
4.0?  If so, do they/it support source level debuggin with a "C"
compiler (such as CCS)?

Thanks,

Shawn Ellis
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1997\11\11@194641 by Andy Kunz

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>ARE there ANY in circuit emulators out there that WILL work with NT
>4.0?  If so, do they/it support source level debuggin with a "C"
>compiler (such as CCS)?

The Tech-Tools emulator should do just what you want.  See
http://www.tech-tools.com and ask there.  It uses the serial port, so there
should be no problem, although I've not tried it on mine.  The current
version goes to 57.6Kbps, so it really flies compared to the old stuff.

Andy


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'PIC emulators'
1998\01\20@061649 by Williamson
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I am considering getting a PIC emulator (probably the ICEPIC) and I was
wondering if any of you had comments on their usefullness.  At $1000 to
$1500 (including the daughter board for 16c74a), it is quite expensive.

I guess what I am really looking for is justification for the purchase
or possible alternatives.  Also, if the ICEPIC family is good, what are
the real differences betweeen the Jnr, standard and ICEPIC2?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Jason Williamson

1998\01\20@064955 by Mark Dennehy

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Jason R Williamson wrote:

> I am considering getting a PIC emulator (probably the ICEPIC) and I was
> wondering if any of you had comments on their usefullness.  At $1000 to
> $1500 (including the daughter board for 16c74a), it is quite expensive.

But worth it. I've been working on one small simple project (a robot
controller board) since July and until I got the ICEPIC, I was making no
headway at all. Since getting it, I've almost completed the first
prototype. I'd certainly consider the ICEPIC a good investment - though if
you can afford it, I'd recommend the ICEPIC 2 because of it's trace
buffer.

> I guess what I am really looking for is justification for the purchase
> or possible alternatives.

There is a cheaper emulator made by Lennard Research, but when I talked to
them when ordering my emulator, they didn't yet have the socket hardware
for 40 pin devices. This may have changed since, however.

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1998\01\20@071523 by obo (Ingenieria Fotonica)

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At 06:14 20/01/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am considering getting a PIC emulator (probably the ICEPIC) and I was
>wondering if any of you had comments on their usefullness.  At $1000 to
>$1500 (including the daughter board for 16c74a), it is quite expensive.
>
>I guess what I am really looking for is justification for the purchase
>or possible alternatives.  Also, if the ICEPIC family is good, what are
>the real differences betweeen the Jnr, standard and ICEPIC2?
>
>Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
>Jason Williamson
>
Hi Jason,
I've purchase the RICE17A emulator from Advance Transdata Corp. and works
fine. It is slightly cheaper than ICEPIC, And I think that better, also.
However, It doesn't integrate into the MPLAB environment, but includes a
similar one for windows95 with assembler and compiler integration capability.
Regards.


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1998\01\20@121057 by Wayne Foletta

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Jason:

Look at Microsystem Development's products at:
http://www.msd.com/picem/

I have bought two of their PIC-Em14 at $300 each. We've been using them
continuously for about a year on DOS, Win3.1 and Win95 machines with no
problems. Only thing on the wish list is low supply voltage operation -
but they are working on that.

- Wayne Foletta
BMI - Saratoga, CA

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1998\01\20@140513 by tjaart

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Here's my 1/2 cent :
I've got the PICMaster and the ICEPic. Both will pay their respective
ways *VERY* quickly.

The service & back-up from the chaps at RF solutions is good. They
even considered some suggestions!

Here's what makes the difference though :
If I have a problem with the PICMaster, the FAE helps me _fast_.
The wait involved in getting replacements parts can cost you many
times the cost of the whole emulator in a week. It seems like a lot
of money (and it sure is!), but the advantage lies not in the product,
but in the service.

If some of the local guys worked in Arizona, I'd be playing with a
16C877 now... ;)

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1998\01\20@182642 by Alan Hall

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Jason R Williamson wrote:

> I am considering getting a PIC emulator (probably the ICEPIC) and I was
> wondering if any of you had comments on their usefullness.  At $1000 to
> $1500 (including the daughter board for 16c74a), it is quite expensive.

Jason, I have been using the RICE16A (now superceded by the RICE17) for
my PIC work and can confirm that it is the dog's bollocks [for the
benefit of overseas readers, this is high praise].

Whichever emulator you choose it is a worthwhile investment. I cannot in
a million years imagine going back to developing anything but a trivial
application by programming EPROM devices, life's too short. You can
always sell it once you've done (but I bet you won't - why do you never
see any advertised on this list?)

I have always felt the time you most need an emulator is when you're
starting on a new processor, since that's when you'll make all the daft
mistakes which the emulator will help you pickup right away.

Spend, spend, spend and be happy!

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1998\01\20@234642 by nicolas nelissen

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> Jason R Williamson wrote:
>
> > I am considering getting a PIC emulator (probably the ICEPIC) and I was
> > wondering if any of you had comments on their usefullness.  At $1000 to
> > $1500 (including the daughter board for 16c74a), it is quite expensive.
>

I've been using pics for about two years now and am still using the eprom
approach. I can see that emulators can be useful in some circumstances
especially when working with large programs. However, I find that most of my
problems occur on the electronic side. I have been working with an industrial
electronics manufacturer and after two years we still get suprised by the
wierd things that can occur in a noisy industrial environment. I would like
to know if the emulators actually fully emulate the pic's electronics, ie
power supply, gates, comparators etc.

We did at one stage try out an emulator for the Zilog Z8  series. The
drawback to this was that we needed to have a working circuit (or at least a
prototype) before we could do anything. Also we shied away from the Z8 chip
because they did not have an eprom version. In many cases we have to put
equipment on trial for months, occasionally changing parameters, so a pic
eprom is very handy here.

What I really would like to see is a proper pic simulator, or perhaps a pic
simulator engine that could then be interfaced to other programs such as
Labview ( just about the most fantastic programing envirmonment). This would
allow the logic of complete systems to be tested before touching a soldering
iron or burning a pic eprom.

I should point out that I only program pics part time. My normal field is
programing for PCs etc, although I do have some electronics background.

Nick Nelissen

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